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Old 07-06-2012, 05:31 AM   #113
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IIRC, I mentioned just that scenario a few pages back. While it is a convenience in having a dual plug-in for a generator along with the shore cord, I would hard wire the shore cord directly into the breaker box and eliminate the extra plug-in and the transfer switch.

It's just not worth the possibility of catastrophic failure and being without 120VAC on hot day when you really want to use your A/C to deal with a cheaply constructed part that's prone to failure.

The longer extension cord for the bed-mounted genny will work first time.....every time when plugged into your shore cord.....no ATS required.
X2....

Thankfully we do not have the ATS.

Years back we did a lot more "hooked-up" camping.
Never a problem using the AS's 30' even with a 25' extension, if we flipped a breaker by mistake it was a simple matter of cutting usage and re-starting.

"That more or less confirms that for users to up-engineer their rigs is not always LOTS more money. Who wouldn't spend $24 more to have a nice reliable power switch?"

Don't remind me of all the base metal fasteners I replaced with stainless when we first got the AS......$18.00 at the local hardware store.

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Old 07-06-2012, 03:54 PM   #114
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Hi All,
Maybe i'm not getting it.....
Why are Airstream making everything too technical, do you really need an auto transfer switch, are we all too lazy to change a plug from one mains outlet to a genny ? On my 73 overlander i have 1 cable which i plug into mains and if i i have not got mains i can plug into a genny, simple. at the end of the day a trailer moves, flexes and bounces around and hi-tech cheaply made mass produced crap is not suitable and costs 2 or 3 times as much in the long run. We have the same problems in the UK with the new Eu Airstreams, lots of them have had their batteries fried, floors delaminating, leaks, etc etc.. Its such a shame that a premium priced product with such an iconic history is being built with cheap components.
I really wonder what percentage of todays models will still be around in 40 or 50 years
Oh and one more thing, my 73 still has its original Armstrong A/C still going strong and it has a valve for re-gassing should it ever need it, and going by the weather in the UK this summer my kids grandchildren will still be using it
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Old 07-08-2012, 01:39 PM   #115
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... I also could not get the thin wall deep socket to go on the lugs. I was sure I put the right socket in the truck so proceeded to tap it on to the lug. Got the lug off but could not get it back out of the socket so I put it back on the stud and finally got it to come out. In looking at the lug nuts they are very cheap nuts with a pressed on fake chrome covering over the actual nut. All of the lugs showed some amount of splitting making it hard to get the socket on and the nut out. The new lug on the left is the same size as the defective one on the right just the camera angle trying to show the split...
Good move to replace; I share your concern as our lug nuts on the AS are the same as you show; unfortunately, the lugs on our expensive Jeeps (and other brands) are currently - and have for some time been using -the same style of covered lug nuts.
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:38 AM   #116
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Dodge has been using these cheaper lug nuts since at least 2002/03. I had to replace some recently on my '03 Ram...
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Don't lug nuts have to meet some SAE standard of one kind or another?
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Old 07-17-2012, 12:06 AM   #118
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I have replaced the Parallax ATS switch with the new PD5110610V and also replaced the cheap single stage Parallax controller with a new DLS55MW/IQ4 and all is now good. $67 for the ATS and $157 for the new controller.

I took the relay apart on the Parallax ATS switch and you can clearly see where the normally closed contact was burned in 2 spots. Mine failed twice before I headed home. The new ATS uses a heavy duty contactor with a potted control circuit not a cheap relay/circuit board.

SHAME ON AIRSTREAM!!!

Two more items now completed on my re-engineer/rebuild list for my new 2012 Airstream.

Soon Iíll have a real Airstream made with quality parts.

I know, I am sorry for my demeanor but after working for 4 hours to replace absolutely bottom of the line cheap-ass components used in a 60K premium product my ire is back up. It just makes me want to scream!!
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Nice job Collimare. After the last two weeks home I'm heading northwest on a long trip. Will be stopping in the Dallas area to hook up with a new converter (3rd). We'll see. Whatever happens I'm going to follow your lead and harden my system, either with a manual switch, or a replacement like yours. So far, Airstream has been great in their help. Rumor is that it is cooler in Montana than Baton Rouge. Giddyup!
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Nice job Collimare. After the last two weeks home I'm heading northwest on a long trip. Will be stopping in the Dallas area to hook up with a new converter (3rd). We'll see. Whatever happens I'm going to follow your lead and harden my system, either with a manual switch, or a replacement like yours. So far, Airstream has been great in their help. Rumor is that it is cooler in Montana than Baton Rouge. Giddyup!
Don, You coming through Denver? You should really stay a couple of days at Tiger Run RV in Breckenridge. If you do give a shout when you are in town. Howard
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Don, I spoke to Airstream support last Thursday at length about the ATS problems and my fix. I also emailed them more information plus the link to this discussion. They seemed to be interested but will not know for sure until they do something about it. I am sure it will not be a recall but at least those who have it fail could get an upgrade.

I would give them another call to ask specifically if they will provide an upgrade for the failing Parallax ATS instead of the third replacement. Perhaps if you supplied the new ATS they would at least put it in.

We had the trailer back in Breckenridge and I did the full test (electric hot water, electric refrigerator, A/C on high, lights, and yes my wife dried and curled her hair without an issue. No sudden loss of power or tripped breakers.


Have you been able to keep your trailer cool when in direct sunshine over 85 degrees? I did another test yesterday and with the trailer parked in the sun midday at about 87 degrees and it was blowing 58 degrees at the discharge but would never cool the trailer below 85 until the sun went behind the clouds and the outside temp dropped a bit. I spoke to Dometic and they had no real answers other than it appeared to be working correctly. For the life of me I can never remember the 1979 25’ not cooling regardless of conditions. This is very disappointing. I guess I will have them put a new 15,000 Dometic Brisk Air in hoping it will cool better and be a bit quieter. Is there less insulation in the new trailers? What about the aluminum inside skin would this have less insulation value than the old fiber board?
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:44 PM   #122
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Yes fiber board would be slightly better than aluminum for insulation, but do we really want it? Not me.

There are also many more windows in the new trailers than the old ones, which become solar heaters (opposite of insulation) when in the sun. I like the new windows a lot.

This is quite a summer, never seen so much heat even here in north side of Minnesota. I wouldn't know who to blame for that.

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Howard, I have an appointment in Dallas this Wednesday to replace the converter. Airstream sent the part (the dreaded Parallax). I had asked about an upgrade but no cigar. We'll see how #3 works.

On the a/c. Mine seems to be working ok. Some of the afternoons in Sedalia it was 104, but the inside was ok. The systems briefings at the international rally mentioned that the best you could expect with the 13,500 btu is about a 20 degree drop from the outside temp. I assume you have played with the different vents on the unit and have cleaned the two filters.

I'll post it if I head toward Denver. Keep in touch...Don
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On the a/c. Mine seems to be working ok. Some of the afternoons in Sedalia it was 104, but the inside was ok. The systems briefings at the international rally mentioned that the best you could expect with the 13,500 btu is about a 20 degree drop from the outside temp. I assume you have played with the different vents on the unit and have cleaned the two filters.
Once again, mis-information, by folks that should know better!! Any RV air conditioner has nothing to do with the outside ambient air temperature! The performance specifications from every manufacturer state that a properly working roof unit will show an 18*F-22*F temperature drop at the cool air outlets when compared to the return air intake temps. This says nothing about the amount of temperature drop from inside to outside, which will be a function of unit cooling capacity (BTU), interior volume, insulation factors and amount of residual heating (sunshine) that you are exposed to in the trailer.
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Old 07-24-2012, 10:48 AM   #125
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Thanks to all of you for posting this stuff. I've had my 2012 28' Intl since last November. Before I took it on its first trip I'd already read all of Lewster's comments on upgrades, and things he'd change. I did every single one of them from the inverter change out (to the IOTA), battery monitor, etc., etc. After reading Collimare's post, I ordered the Progressive Dynamics transfer switch...which I'll change out this weekend. AND, I was a bit irritated that the first time I tried running my 15000 BTU A/C and the factory installed microwave I blew a breaker (not the park's, the trailer's). I learned on my first long trip that I can't use the 110V water heater, fridge, and A/C at the same time. Gotta put the water heater on propane or it blows. My conclusion: it may SAY 30 amps, but it sure doesn't add up that way. I guess I could just stay home with my huge 250 amp service at home, right? I LOVE my new Airstream and I see it as my responsibility (opportunity?) to make it "my own" -- I have the tools and expertise to do this -- as many of you do. AND, I enjoy upgrading it anyway. Granted, I'm fortunate to have the financial resources to change out brand new wheels and tires (which I did), and to build more reliability and flexibility into my trailer. Would it have been nice if A/S had done all this for me? Sure. I've done upgrades to almost everything I own (except my cars)....guess it's both a hobby and passion. Thanks, though, to all of you for giving me an opportunity to change out stuff BEFORE I needed to.
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