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02-08-2016, 04:12 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Holly Springs
, Mississippi
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 426
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Cannonball, my experience with BatterMINDers is that if you hook it to a timer and set for three hours a day, it's easier on the battery and does not evaporate batt. fluid nearly as fast. I tried two hours and that wasn't quite enough to keep the battery charged, but you may wish to experiment with this.
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2016 FC 25' FB twin
2013 F-150 Lariat CrewCab 3.5 EB 4X4 3.55 axle
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02-08-2016, 04:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2024 23' Flying Cloud
San Antonio
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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That's a good idea. Did you just use a lamp timer, or something more robust?
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02-08-2016, 05:15 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Holly Springs
, Mississippi
Join Date: Sep 2015
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It's low draw, so a lamp timer should work just fine. I got mine at Wal-Mart.
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2016 FC 25' FB twin
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02-08-2016, 07:12 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' Classic
Pleasanton
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Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 745
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Originally Posted by idroba
Yes, that is much more than the actual measured current (with a Fluke multi meter) on my 2014 FC 20.
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Just poking around trying to figure out why LP detectors consume so much current and I found this...
"At the heart of every propane detector is the sensor which uses the difference between the electrical properties of oxygen and propane to trigger an alarm. The miniature sensor (about the size of the eraser on the end of a pencil) contains 2 main components. One is a layer of metal oxide semiconductor material - usually tin dioxide. The second is a miniature heater, which keeps the semiconductor at a constant high temperature- around 400° C - which it needs to function properly." Given that the sensor is heated up to 400 deg C, it's not surprising to see 75 mA. I'd be curious to know if your detector is for propane or just carbon monoxide.
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2015 30' Classic, "Chez Nu"
2014 RAM 2500 w/Cummins Diesel
ProPride Hitch, 400 W Solar
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02-08-2016, 07:47 PM
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Rivet Master
1978 31' Excella 500
Genoa
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,554
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Naw, its the mice partying in the back bottom drawer; disco lights and power amps and everything electric. You did find allllll the lights bulbs in allll the outside bins our cadillac Airstreams have in every bin? I still have something that kills my batteries...dang partying mice..
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02-08-2016, 09:55 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 20
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Kooskia
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,591
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My propane detector and my CO detector are separate, the propane being at floor level under the refrigerator.
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02-09-2016, 04:35 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 28' Flying Cloud
Upper St Clair
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,943
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Unplugged in and store switch in off batteries on the average AS will be depleted in 4 weeks, 5 tops. I've done it on purpose several times in the past. As has been suggested take the batteries out, put them on a battery tender in your garage and charge them up. They should come back as these are deep cycle "golf cart" batteries and can be taken to zero and brought back with a good hard charge. I was GM of a golf car company and we had about 40,000 of this type battery in my area my technicians maintained all year - up north. Also, if your battery disconnect switch is in the OFF position while towing your truck/car will not charge your batteries.
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2021 F350 6.7 King Ranch
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02-09-2016, 07:36 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB International
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 572
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Quote:
Originally Posted by idroba
3. The optional inverter (factory wiring). If left on it will kill the batteries in short order, less than a week. It takes about 1.7 to 2 amps even if nothing else is on. It is not shut off with the USE/STORE switch. It also can take a small amount of power, even when shut off, but I have not measured the exact amount. About the same as the propane detector I would guess.
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This is definitely what I did wrong. When I was winterizing it I was off shore power but needed an outlet for something (dead laptop used to stream the "how to" video probably!) so I flipped the inverter on. It was the first and only time I'd done this and never would have guessed this could cause any issues.
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02-09-2016, 07:46 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 20
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Kooskia
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Join Date: Jul 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaseav
This is definitely what I did wrong. When I was winterizing it I was off shore power but needed an outlet for something (dead laptop used to stream the "how to" video probably!) so I flipped the inverter on. It was the first and only time I'd done this and never would have guessed this could cause any issues.
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Well, although it is too bad that it happened, I am glad you now have the cause of the problem. The USE/STORE switch has a whole bunch of limitations, and the fact that it does not disconnect the inverter is one of them, and not mentioned anywhere in Airstream manuals that I am aware of.
Because of the limitations of the USE/STORE switch, my recommendation is to always disconnect the negative wire (s) from the battery when you are in storage. Of course if you left the inverter on, the batteries would be killed in less than a week, even if it was a temporary storage. The factory inverter takes about 1.75 to 2 amps each hour it is on, even powering nothing. So, it is very critical it be shut off when not being used.
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02-09-2016, 07:48 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB International
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 572
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paiceman
Unplugged in and store switch in off batteries on the average AS will be depleted in 4 weeks, 5 tops. I've done it on purpose several times in the past. As has been suggested take the batteries out, put them on a battery tender in your garage and charge them up. Also, if your battery disconnect switch is in the OFF position while towing your truck/car will not charge your batteries.
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Two part question here Paiceman: First, I don't have an "off" position on my "battery disconnect switch." I have "use" or "store." This has always been very confusing to me because it leads one to believe they are choosing the position of the switch, not the battery itself. If I "use" the battery disconnect switch, would that not mean I was disconnecting the battery and therefore the battery was NOT in use?!? So, by saying "Unplugged in and store switch in off batteries on the average AS will be depleted in 4 weeks, 5 tops." Are you saying that best case scenario I've got five weeks without a charge?
Second, when you say "Also, if your battery disconnect switch is in the OFF position while towing your truck/car will not charge your batteries," are you saying the battery must be "on" and in "use" mode for the batteries to charge? I do not believe this to be the case on my unit.
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02-09-2016, 07:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB International
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 572
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Protagonist
Typo… should have been "here's a dumb person" Namely me.
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Got it. It seemed so on-the-nose that I knew I was misunderstanding it.
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02-09-2016, 08:04 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB International
Join Date: Nov 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by idroba
Well, although it is too bad that it happened, I am glad you now have the cause of the problem. The USE/STORE switch has a whole bunch of limitations, and the fact that it does not disconnect the inverter is one of them, and not mentioned anywhere in Airstream manuals that I am aware of.
Because of the limitations of the USE/STORE switch, my recommendation is to always disconnect the negative wire (s) from the battery when you are in storage. Of course if you left the inverter on, the batteries would be killed in less than a week, even if it was a temporary storage. The factory inverter takes about 1.75 to 2 amps each hour it is on, even powering nothing. So, it is very critical it be shut off when not being used.
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Well, in my limited and somewhat under qualified opinion, that inverter switch needs to be on the same panel as the battery disconnect switch. This is what happens when manufacturers outsource so much of their manufacturing.
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02-09-2016, 08:25 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Actually, the easiest modification is to install a marine battery disconnect switch into the positive power lead from the batteries. The inverter positive (if you have one) should also be tied into the downstream lug of this switch. This will provide a total battery disconnect simply by rotating the waterproof switch 90º.
Any marine switch will work, but my preference is the Blue Sea Systems M-Series. Small, durable and completely sealed and waterproof mechanism. Easy to mount on the outside of your battery box where the cables enter for ease of installation.
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Solar Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
Victron Solar Components and Inverters, Zamp Solar Panels, LiFeBlue and Battle Born Lithium Batteries, Lifeline AGM Batteries
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02-10-2016, 07:32 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB International
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 572
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lewster
Actually, the easiest modification is to install a marine battery disconnect switch into the positive power lead from the batteries. The inverter positive (if you have one) should also be tied into the downstream lug of this switch. This will provide a total battery disconnect simply by rotating the waterproof switch 90º.
Any marine switch will work, but my preference is the Blue Sea Systems M-Series. Small, durable and completely sealed and waterproof mechanism. Easy to mount on the outside of your battery box where the cables enter for ease of installation.
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Lew, as always, awesome advice. I don't mind spending $25 and a hour of my time to make something like this work. Is this the unit you're referring to?
http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Sea-Syste...ery+disconnect
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02-10-2016, 08:52 PM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Originally Posted by chaseav
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BINGO!!!! We have a winner!!!!
Those switches are totally waterproof. Simply attach to the frame or battery box (or any other close, convenient location) and add a cable from the switch to the battery positive. I have also placed them on the under side of the trailers so they are out of sight as well.
If you have an inverter, I would also take that positive lead and place it on the control side of the switch as well. this way, nothing will get past the switch when in the off position.
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Solar Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
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02-11-2016, 10:40 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' FB International
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 572
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I do... hmmm... I know nothing about this electrical system works. No engine?!?!
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02-11-2016, 11:37 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
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Join Date: May 2015
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Any value to going with a key lockable switch? Or maybe a better way to ask is - has anyone ever had someone do an unauthorized power disconnect. Maybe pulling the battery cable is not that much more difficult, so why bother with the risk and hassle of a key? Pat
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02-12-2016, 05:43 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2016 23' Flying Cloud
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 112
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Manual says your batteries should charge in tow regardless of the setting on the bypass switch.
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02-12-2016, 06:41 AM
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Commercial Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Naples
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kittyfeet
Manual says your batteries should charge in tow regardless of the setting on the bypass switch.
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The black wire in the trailer's umbilical leads directly into there positive bus bar at the front of your trailer. The batteries are connected to that same bus bar, so in 'theory' your batteries should be receiving charge while connected to your TV and under way.
The sticky part is the amount of charge that your batteries are receiving from this charge line. I remove this wire from the bus bar when I install solar charging systems and lithium or Lifeline batteries, as a continual 14.2+ VDC charge from an alternator will result in overcharging the batteries with no float stage. This comes directly from Lifeline and the lithium cell manufacturers.
This charge line is either 12AWG or 10AWG (I have a trailer open now and I'll check it today), but the charge voltage from the alternator has to travel the entire length of the TV, then thru the 7-way plug, then into the trailer into the bus bar and more than likely (OK, less than likely ) is not providing a really large amount of amperage for battery re-charge.
There have been some threads on this where folks have beefed up this charge cable and were getting a significant amount of charge to their batteries, but I would caution about this unless you also employ a 'smart' DC to DC charge regulator on that line that will detect battery conditions and regulate the charge voltage and amperage.
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Solar Tech Energy Systems, Inc.
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02-12-2016, 07:28 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 28' Flying Cloud
Upper St Clair
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chaseav
Two part question here Paiceman: First, I don't have an "off" position on my "battery disconnect switch." I have "use" or "store." This has always been very confusing to me because it leads one to believe they are choosing the position of the switch, not the battery itself. If I "use" the battery disconnect switch, would that not mean I was disconnecting the battery and therefore the battery was NOT in use?!? So, by saying "Unplugged in and store switch in off batteries on the average AS will be depleted in 4 weeks, 5 tops." Are you saying that best case scenario I've got five weeks without a charge?
Second, when you say "Also, if your battery disconnect switch is in the OFF position while towing your truck/car will not charge your batteries," are you saying the battery must be "on" and in "use" mode for the batteries to charge? I do not believe this to be the case on my unit.
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First question: The store to me is off, but you are right in asking as it's not actually off. The detectors remain on and do draw down the battery. This is why prior to having solar in the winter I would take my batteries out of the unit and put them on a battery tender in my garage until we pull out again. A fully charged batter disconnected will last for months, in my old industry even in the New England area my dealers would fully charge the golf cars, disconnect and leave the cars outside. In most cases maybe out of 1,000 batteries in golf cars only 4-5 would freeze and be gone.
I've had three Airstreams all since 2010 and all new models. When traveling and hooked to the tow vehicle if the battery disconnect is in store mode the batteries will not charge, nor will they charge if hooked to shore power and the switch is in store. The only charge that can occur when the battery disconnect is in the store position is when solar panels are used and feed directly to the batteries, which the factory panels do. I questioned this and asked my dealer techs whom I have a great deal of respect for and I called JC, both answers were the same as outlined above.
Bud
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