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12-08-2017, 12:15 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
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Can I remove batteries?
I did a search, but most threads concerned older units.
I'm starting a project and want to remove the house batteries, but still have lights in the AS. If I have it plugged in, will I damage anything (like the converter) by not having a termination at the battery?
2017 AS FC.
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12-08-2017, 01:35 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 30' Classic
Pleasanton
, California
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 745
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You can safely remove your batteries and still use your converter.
I would disconnect shore power, select the "store" position, remove the negative terminal first, then the positive terminal. This reduces the risk of shorting the positive terminal to the chassis. Make sure you isolate the positive terminal from the chassis when you apply shore power just in case the "use" position gets selected.
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2015 30' Classic, "Chez Nu"
2014 RAM 2500 w/Cummins Diesel
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12-08-2017, 02:01 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,742
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Hi
The big issue with most converters is that they produce a bit of a noisy output without a battery. That may come through the speakers on the sound system. For running LED lights ... no big deal.
Bob
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12-08-2017, 02:01 PM
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Site Team
2017 30' International
Broomfield
, Colorado
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,555
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Quote:
you can safely remove your batteries and still use your converter.
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12-08-2017, 02:54 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Tampa
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 7,655
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Thanks. My intuition said yes, but I wanted to be sure.
I'm doing a mod on the battery box, and I may want to rest up in the trailer some. I can't go all day like I used to.
I'm tagging all the + terminals with red cable ties and the - terminals with white cable ties. 1 cable tie for battery one and two for battery two. While the batteries are out I want to put a mat under them, take them home to charge and water.
Then I'm cutting a hole in the battery box for a switch.
I've spent weeks thinking this through, assembling the parts, and now it's go time.
Good idea to cover the + ends while I'm plugged in.
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12-08-2017, 05:27 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 27' Flying Cloud
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 773
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollysdad
Thanks. My intuition said yes, but I wanted to be sure.
I'm doing a mod on the battery box, and I may want to rest up in the trailer some. I can't go all day like I used to.
I'm tagging all the + terminals with red cable ties and the - terminals with white cable ties. 1 cable tie for battery one and two for battery two. While the batteries are out I want to put a mat under them, take them home to charge and water.
Then I'm cutting a hole in the battery box for a switch.
I've spent weeks thinking this through, assembling the parts, and now it's go time.
Good idea to cover the + ends while I'm plugged in.
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Looking forward to hearing about your progress!!
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12-08-2017, 05:47 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 25' Safari
Davidson County
, NC Highlands County, FL
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,493
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollysdad
I did a search, but most threads concerned older units.
I'm starting a project and want to remove the house batteries, but still have lights in the AS. If I have it plugged in, will I damage anything (like the converter) by not having a termination at the battery?
2017 AS FC.
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page 5-9 in your manual gives the answer to your question and also a warning about reconnecting.
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2014 Silverado LTZ 1500 Crew Cab 5.3L maximum trailering package
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12-09-2017, 06:00 AM
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Registered User
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Fairfield
, California
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 905
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Take lots of pictures also.
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12-09-2017, 09:54 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,689
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollysdad
I did a search, but most threads concerned older units.
I'm starting a project and want to remove the house batteries, but still have lights in the AS. If I have it plugged in, will I damage anything (like the converter) by not having a termination at the battery?
2017 AS FC.
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I would say no issues; I have my knife-disconnect switch thrown to "off" so no battery connected to my AS currently. I am plugged in to shore power and have been using the furnace and lights as needed last few days to keep from freezing here in TX; no issues But hey, what do I know...
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2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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12-09-2017, 06:07 PM
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Rivet Master
2022 25' Flying Cloud
NCR
, Ontario
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 3,107
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the converter needs/depends upon a battery being in place.
the battery acts like a large capacitor to clean up and reduce the noise output. The battery is a reactive competent(like coils and capacitors) unlike a resister that are simply passive.
remove it at your peril. some devices may not behave nicely to the dirty power coming out
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12-10-2017, 10:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,689
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waninae39
the converter needs/depends upon a battery being in place.
the battery acts like a large capacitor to clean up and reduce the noise output. The battery is a reactive competent(like coils and capacitors) unlike a resister that are simply passive.
remove it at your peril. some devices may not behave nicely to the dirty power coming out
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My rig works fine without battery's connected, with the Boondocker Converter. From the manual: "Filtered DC Output (Works with or without a battery)". We checked voltage with fans and pump on/off; 13.2V steady read with multi-meter and also at the panel.
Progressive Dynamics also has a Charge Wizard which operates similarly, I believe. Makes sense it does not need batteries connected to run the DC components...it's a multi-stage converter when connected for charging but it still converts ac-dc using "smart" technology, right?
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2017 F250 King Ranch, 4X4, 6.7L, Blue-Ox WDH
Summer-Star Valley Ranch RV Resort (Thayne, WY); Winter-Sun City (Georgetown,TX)
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12-10-2017, 10:59 AM
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Rivet Master
2002 30' Classic S/O
Fleming Island
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 4,673
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Quote:
Originally Posted by waninae39
the converter needs/depends upon a battery being in place.
the battery acts like a large capacitor to clean up and reduce the noise output. The battery is a reactive competent(like coils and capacitors) unlike a resister that are simply passive.
remove it at your peril. some devices may not behave nicely to the dirty power coming out
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Depends on the age and design of the converter. The PD9260 I put in my Safari 25 said the output was clean and regulated and did not require batteries. I'm using the Parallax I took out as a bench supply for 12 volts on sensitive radio equipment and it also works fine.
Al
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2002 Classic 30 Slideout -S/OS #004
2013 Dodge 2500 Laramie 4x4 Megacab Cummins
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