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Old 11-19-2017, 12:37 PM   #15
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If you have a 2017, I don't believe you can be in the "store" position when you are plugged in. It will automatically go to "use" I believe, so if you are plugged in and your converter is working, you should have the batteries charging.
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For many models, this is incorrect IMO -- not sure if 2017 makes a difference.

. . . and echoing earlier comments that there are lots of threads on this:

Use Store switch: https://www.google.com/search?q=use+...=airforums.com

New batteries bad: https://www.google.com/search?q=new+...=airforums.com

Lot rot: https://www.google.com/search?q=lot+...=airforums.com

Lots of possible variables not all of which are being discussed. Please try:

1. unplug from shore power and wait an hour
. . . put Use/Store switch on Use, and report on battery voltage
2. put Use/Store switch on Store -- confirm battery voltage is zero or blank
3. try overhead 12-volt lights etc. -- should not come on
4. plug into shore power
5. confirm voltage at 13.7 -- converter is working
6. turn on 12-volt overhead lights
7. put Use/Store switch on Store -- check voltage
8. [still on shore power] go to Use, and charge batteries for 48 hours
9. Confirm charging voltage of 13.7 +/-
9. start at top of list and report back

The above steps will let everyone get on the same page IMO, and will confirm the correct operation of the Use/Store switch, the converter, etc. etc..

Good luck,

Peter

PS -- You should read your owner's manual carefully as well.

Recent thread to check: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...de-175156.html
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Old 11-19-2017, 12:37 PM   #16
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Id say it was the RV parks electric service, not your trailer.
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Old 11-19-2017, 05:11 PM   #17
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For many models, this is incorrect IMO -- not sure if 2017 makes a difference.
You are correct and I was mistaken! Who would design a system that in "store" mode the battery is disconnected from the converter but still has a load? Seems backwards!

Thanks for setting me straight!
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:53 AM   #18
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For many models, this is incorrect IMO -- not sure if 2017 makes a difference.

. . . and echoing earlier comments that there are lots of threads on this:

Use Store switch: https://www.google.com/search?q=use+...=airforums.com

New batteries bad: https://www.google.com/search?q=new+...=airforums.com

Lot rot: https://www.google.com/search?q=lot+...=airforums.com

Lots of possible variables not all of which are being discussed. Please try:

1. unplug from shore power and wait an hour
. . . put Use/Store switch on Use, and report on battery voltage
2. put Use/Store switch on Store -- confirm battery voltage is zero or blank
3. try overhead 12-volt lights etc. -- should not come on
4. plug into shore power
5. confirm voltage at 13.7 -- converter is working
6. turn on 12-volt overhead lights
7. put Use/Store switch on Store -- check voltage
8. [still on shore power] go to Use, and charge batteries for 48 hours
9. Confirm charging voltage of 13.7 +/-
9. start at top of list and report back

The above steps will let everyone get on the same page IMO, and will confirm the correct operation of the Use/Store switch, the converter, etc. etc..

Good luck,

Peter

PS -- You should read your owner's manual carefully as well.

Recent thread to check: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...de-175156.html
Good advice right here.
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Old 11-20-2017, 07:17 AM   #19
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When on a camping trip earlier this summer, we met a family who were experiencing the same issue on their 2017 Sport. It turned out to be the converter. It was replaced by a mobile repair team at the campground and that fixed the problem.
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Old 11-22-2017, 07:14 AM   #20
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The 9 step list is great BUT #8 says to charge for 48 hours and I would caution that you need to monitor the batteries almost constantly while charging. I left mine overnight and found them boiling in the morning. Ending up taking them to Interstate for a full replacement as they were less than a year old and then ordered a PD converter replacement because I dont trust myself to prevent this in the future.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:53 AM   #21
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The 9 step list is great BUT #8 says to charge for 48 hours and I would caution that you need to monitor the batteries almost constantly while charging. I left mine overnight and found them boiling in the morning. Ending up taking them to Interstate for a full replacement as they were less than a year old and then ordered a PD converter replacement because I don’t trust myself to prevent this in the future.
Welcome to the forum! A night or two of charging with the OEM charger should not have caused the damage, even with batteries that are fully charged. The battery water was probably low already IMO. Are you sure the converter was operating correctly?

Or one (or more) cells of one (or two) batteries were already bad IMO.

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Old 11-22-2017, 11:10 PM   #22
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As the unit is only 6 months off the lot I had not checked the water level, my bad, so it could have been low. I had not been on battery power much and mostly had been on shore power when parked at the house on a 30 amp receptacle. Meter on the wall showed charge rate of 13.7 volts. Bad cell in both batteries was the same one. No telling what went on while the unit was on the dealer lot, but I doubt it was on shore power all the time. Guess I am just lucky they croaked within the first year so Interstate replaced them.
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:34 AM   #23
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The 9 step list is great BUT #8 says to charge for 48 hours and I would caution that you need to monitor the batteries almost constantly while charging. I left mine overnight and found them boiling in the morning. Ending up taking them to Interstate for a full replacement as they were less than a year old and then ordered a PD converter replacement because I don’t trust myself to prevent this in the future.
Hi

Your new converter will do *exactly* the same thing if a cell shorts. It's what all converters do in this case. Like it or not, batteries do have defects. That is one of the reasons the battery dealers are so familiar with swapping them out.

Why don't we hear a lot of repeat stories? You dump the defective batteries and the odds are in your favor on the next set. You can get bad ones two times in a row, it just doesn't happen very often at all.

Some math:

If one in 100 batteries coming off the line are bad.

If you use them in. pairs and the pair dies together (which it does).

You have about a 1 in 50 chance of trouble.

If you buy two sets in a row, your odds of both sets being bad are about 1 in 2,500

This of course assumes you don't do something nutty. Most people get the lecture on what not to do after the first failures. That essentially eliminates user error on the second set. The odds go up even further as a result.

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Old 11-28-2017, 07:42 PM   #24
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Lesson learned

We had a similar situation on our maiden voyage with our 2017 Classic. Unbeknownst to us, faulty electric hookup at a campground in Vermont blew the charge fuse. No indicator. So our first night at our next stop; New Hampshire, the battery died. Replaced the fuse and things got back to normal. Were fortunate to have great support from our dealer, Ansley RV in Altoona, PA.
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Old 11-28-2017, 07:48 PM   #25
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OEM batteries (any brand) are unbelievably unreliable now. As Uncle Bob said, 1 in 100 are probably bad out the door. Couple that with sitting on a lot for a while, low water levels, single stage converter and you are likely to get a bad day.

I invested in an AGM battery - expensive but zero maintenance (ok so someone will have a bad remark about AGM but it beats the wet cells). Think about AGM if you solar charge.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:30 PM   #26
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new airstream batteries

My advice, even though my Airstream is a 1971, get a 100watt solar panel with the good controller, you will never have to worry about dead batteries, even while in storage!.
True, you could have had a bad set of batteries,or a bad controller. HOwever, a cheap solar setup, will provide an alternative charging source. (think dry camping too)

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Old 11-29-2017, 05:37 AM   #27
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We had a similar situation on our maiden voyage with our 2017 Classic. Unbeknownst to us, faulty electric hookup at a campground in Vermont blew the charge fuse. No indicator. So our first night at our next stop; New Hampshire, the battery died. Replaced the fuse and things got back to normal. Were fortunate to have great support from our dealer, Ansley RV in Altoona, PA.
Charge fuse ... where might I find such a thing in my Airstream?
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Yes, interested in what the charge fuse is.
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