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11-12-2019, 04:02 PM
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#61
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3 Rivet Member
2019 30' Classic
Rockwood
, Maine
Join Date: Apr 2015
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So just curious here, we are putting the airstream in temporary storage for six weeks, so I decided to unhook the batteries for this period, unhooked the negatives on both batteries and still noticed all electrical lights still working. How does this happen? The unit was still getting solar to the panels, but I am definitely confused? Both negative terminals are unhooked from the batteries? Not hooked to ac power, I am a novice on power but???
Does the solar panel still power the investor somehow?
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11-12-2019, 08:33 PM
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#62
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Rivet Master
2019 30' Classic
Canfield
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2015
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If you follow all the red leads coming from the trailer to the batteries, they all have to come off. That said, I would remove all the black leads instead. Less chance of accidentally shorting one of those red ones!
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11-13-2019, 04:17 AM
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#63
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3 Rivet Member
2019 30' Classic
Rockwood
, Maine
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 104
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turk123
If you follow all the red leads coming from the trailer to the batteries, they all have to come off. That said, I would remove all the black leads instead. Less chance of accidentally shorting one of those red ones!
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Turk, I did unhook all black leads from the negative terminals on both batteries, lights still worked in the trailer, lift jack did not.
So my conclusion was solar panels , when getting light must still feed the system to run the interior dc functions even with the batteries disconnected. But again, I have a real basic understanding of this system, so it may have been something different than that conclusion lol
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11-13-2019, 05:13 AM
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#64
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Rivet Master
2017 16' Sport
N/A
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Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 1,789
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AGM batteries already bad?
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Originally Posted by Maineiac
Turk, I did unhook all black leads from the negative terminals on both batteries, lights still worked in the trailer, lift jack did not.
So my conclusion was solar panels , when getting light must still feed the system to run the interior dc functions even with the batteries disconnected. But again, I have a real basic understanding of this system, so it may have been something different than that conclusion lol
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maybe possible the system is grounded somewhere that completes circuit? I would use electrical tape on each wire to ensure no accidental connectivity.
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11-13-2019, 05:50 AM
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#65
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
McHenry
, Illinois
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,162
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Pulse Tech chargers will desulfate a battery
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Originally Posted by UncleBad
Would be interesting to know more about that special charger.
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UncleBad and Gregsh, Pulse Tech makes a battery maintenance charger that will desulfate batteries. In fact, their primary customers are the military and commercial users.
I have my two AGM LifeLine batteries connected now. Once the charging is complete it goes to float mode so no worries about over-charging. The unit will continue to pulse (desulfate) and monitor the batteries.
Check out the testimonials online about how they’ve revived dead batteries like Gregsh’s: https://www.pulsetech.net/
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11-13-2019, 06:39 AM
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#66
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,684
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Hi
Indeed the solar (with the stock setup) will quite happily fire up without the batteries present. Things will run right up to the point the sun goes behind a cloud and then it all stops. Putting the use / store switch in the "store" position stops most of this nonsense.
Bob
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11-13-2019, 06:46 AM
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#67
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Rivet Master
2019 30' Classic
Canfield
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,559
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
Indeed the solar (with the stock setup) will quite happily fire up without the batteries present. Things will run right up to the point the sun goes behind a cloud and then it all stops. Putting the use / store switch in the "store" position stops most of this nonsense.
Bob
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I didn't know that! Interesting. A good reason to put in disconnect mode even when the manual disconnect is on.
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2019 Airstream Classic 30 Twin
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11-13-2019, 07:26 AM
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#68
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Tommy Bahama
Marana
, Arizona
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 815
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffmc306
UncleBad and Gregsh, Pulse Tech makes a battery maintenance charger that will desulfate batteries. In fact, their primary customers are the military and commercial users.
I have my two AGM LifeLine batteries connected now. Once the charging is complete it goes to float mode so no worries about over-charging. The unit will continue to pulse (desulfate) and monitor the batteries.
Check out the testimonials online about how they’ve revived dead batteries like Gregsh’s: https://www.pulsetech.net/
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Thanks! Don’t see the one you have on their site however? I have the same AGM’s so would be interested in the same maintainer if I can find it.
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11-13-2019, 07:44 AM
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#69
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,684
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Hi
All of these "battery rejuvenators" should be used sparingly. Used on a regular basis, they will shorten the life of the batteries.
Bob
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11-13-2019, 09:04 AM
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#70
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
McHenry
, Illinois
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,162
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Replacement for Dual Station
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleBad
Thanks! Don’t see the one you have on their site however? I have the same AGM’s so would be interested in the same maintainer if I can find it.
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UncleBad, I just spoke to Rick Gregory at Pulse Tech about the Dual Station. He said it’s two of their single units in one housing and they did not sell enough to justify continuing to produce it.
He said the replacement is the XC100-P Xtreme Charge single charger-desulfator. You could use one then swap when finished or purchase two units.
https://www.pulsetech.net/xc100-p-xt...esulfator.html
It’s currently available from Amazon for $70:
https://www.amazon.com/Pulsetech-Xtr.../dp/B00BPF0Y64
Here’s the charger manual if you’d like to check it out:
https://www.pulsetech.net/amfile/fil...product/15097/
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11-13-2019, 09:11 AM
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#71
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
McHenry
, Illinois
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,162
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
All of these "battery rejuvenators" should be used sparingly. Used on a regular basis, they will shorten the life of the batteries.
Bob
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Bob, that’s contrary to Pulse Tech’s claim. Their research shows a properly desulfated battery will last up to 3 times longer while maintaining capacity.
“ Eliminating sulfate buildup from lead-acid battery plates improves battery performance and extends battery life up to 3 times.”
https://www.pulsetech.net/our-techno...echnology.html
I respect your opinion but trust the guys at Pulse Tech and the testimonials of their military and commercial users. Your mileage may vary.
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11-13-2019, 09:36 AM
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#72
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3 Rivet Member
2019 30' Classic
Rockwood
, Maine
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 104
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uncle_bob
Hi
Indeed the solar (with the stock setup) will quite happily fire up without the batteries present. Things will run right up to the point the sun goes behind a cloud and then it all stops. Putting the use / store switch in the "store" position stops most of this nonsense.
Bob
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Uncle Bob, thank you clearing up that mystery.
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11-13-2019, 10:50 AM
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#73
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Rivet Master
1994 30' Excella
alexandria
, Kentucky
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,314
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JeffMC306,
Do you know if the Pulsetech can maintain/charge two 6v batteries connected in series?
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11-13-2019, 11:21 AM
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#74
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffmc306
Bob, that’s contrary to Pulse Tech’s claim. Their research shows a properly desulfated battery will last up to 3 times longer while maintaining capacity.
“ Eliminating sulfate buildup from lead-acid battery plates improves battery performance and extends battery life up to 3 times.”
https://www.pulsetech.net/our-techno...echnology.html
I respect your opinion but trust the guys at Pulse Tech and the testimonials of their military and commercial users. Your mileage may vary.
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Doesn't a 4 stage converter like from PD or Boondocker prevent calcification and protect/tend your batteries automatically anyway?? According to folks I talked with and data I read, seems they are advertising this capability. Why would you need anything else?
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11-13-2019, 02:43 PM
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#75
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
McHenry
, Illinois
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,162
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Yes! Can connect two 6V in series with Pulse Tech
Quote:
Originally Posted by crispyboy
JeffMC306,
Do you know if the Pulsetech can maintain/charge two 6v batteries connected in series?
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Crispboy, I just called Rick at Pulse Tech to confirm and he said yes, you can use one 12V Pulse Tech charger connected to two 6V batteries tied together in series. The charger will see it as one 12V battery.
Also, I asked how long you can safely leave the Pulse Tech connected to batteries and he said “the longer the better”. Once a battery reaches 100% charge, the unit goes into float mode and it will continue to pulse.
If the battery discharges, the charger will kick into charge mode to top it off. In other words, there’s no risk of frying a battery as long as you maintain the proper water level for non-AGM batteries.
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11-13-2019, 03:04 PM
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#76
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
McHenry
, Illinois
Join Date: Apr 2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydad
Doesn't a 4 stage converter like from PD or Boondocker prevent calcification and protect/tend your batteries automatically anyway?? According to folks I talked with and data I read, seems they are advertising this capability. Why would you need anything else?
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Hi again Gypsydad,
I looked at Boondocker but cannot find any reference to the pulse desulfinate function like Pulse Tech. They claim to be the only chargers with the technology; not sure if it’s true.
Check out the photo of plates over time for untreated and pulsed. Pretty impressive results. Kind of like dentures with Polydent cleaner!
https://www.pulsetech.net/our-techno...echnology.html
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11-13-2019, 03:11 PM
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#77
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
McHenry
, Illinois
Join Date: Apr 2018
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Disconnect panels at the 3 Port roof cap?
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Originally Posted by Silvr_Bullet
maybe possible the system is grounded somewhere that completes circuit? I would use electrical tape on each wire to ensure no accidental connectivity.
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That makes sense. What if you disconnect the solar panels at the 3 port rooftop cap? That would remove the potential of power going back to the battery box when batteries are removed. Just remember to reconnect in the spring
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11-14-2019, 06:28 AM
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#78
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,684
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Hi
I have yet to see a battery booster outfit tell you their gizmos are anything but wonderful. They are in the business of selling you their product.
Bashing at the batteries with one of these will wear out a new battery. On a 10 year old battery, there's not much left anyway. 90% of what these guys sell is used on old worn out batteries. When they come up with this or that claim, it relates to a battery that is already near dead.
Bob
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11-14-2019, 07:33 AM
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#79
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Tommy Bahama
Marana
, Arizona
Join Date: Jul 2017
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AGM batteries already bad?
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Originally Posted by jeffmc306
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Thanks for the research!
I am going to give it a try. I have the original AGM’s that Lifeline told me were “bad” and the battery in WarPig, my 1980 F250 beater, is starting to go south. Batteries here in Arizona seem to go quicker due to the heat.
I will report back.
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11-14-2019, 09:57 AM
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#80
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffmc306
Hi again Gypsydad,
I looked at Boondocker but cannot find any reference to the pulse desulfinate function like Pulse Tech. They claim to be the only chargers with the technology; not sure if it’s true.
Check out the photo of plates over time for untreated and pulsed. Pretty impressive results. Kind of like dentures with Polydent cleaner!
https://www.pulsetech.net/our-techno...echnology.html
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I think it is the "equalization" mode (4th stage) that this feature is supposed to provide desulfication capabilities...like on the Progressive Dynamics converters who mention this also. I went with this Boondocker 55amp model couple years ago and it is working fine for now, except sometimes the fan seems to run a bit more then the PD model my friend has. If I need to change out the converter again, I will check out Pulsetech...did you compare with the PD models?
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