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Old 09-24-2010, 06:30 PM   #29
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for those of you that were talking about the ONAN propane fired 12VDC battery charger generators. This is what they looked like. The Airstream factory price installed in 1973 was $400.00
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Old 09-24-2010, 07:49 PM   #30
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lots of nice pix...

the old stuff, the diy stuff and newer stuff...

with' u really need 2 start a thread JUST on your unit...

folks would love to see all the tweaks, n mods and customizations.

your genset install is pretty much like a/s dealers starting doing it in the 70s...

with a few evolutionary updates.

4000$ 10 years ago, wow.

while u seem fine with it, 25 gallons of gasoline under the tongue would NOT b my choice..

again all nifty tweaks.

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Old 09-24-2010, 08:39 PM   #31
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lots of nice pix...

the old stuff, the diy stuff and newer stuff...

with' u really need 2 start a thread JUST on your unit...

folks would love to see all the tweaks, n mods and customizations.

your genset install is pretty much like a/s dealers starting doing it in the 70s...

with a few evolutionary updates.

4000$ 10 years ago, wow.

while u seem fine with it, 25 gallons of gasoline under the tongue would NOT b my choice..

again all nifty tweaks.

cheers
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"lots of nice pix...

the old stuff, the diy stuff and newer stuff...

with' u really need 2 start a thread JUST on your unit...

folks would love to see all the tweaks, n mods and customizations".

Thanks (pix), but no thanks on starting a thread.

"4000$ 10 years ago, wow".

I pulled from memory $3,500 to $4,000, turnkey install. A new Onan 4000 today prices at about $2,700; add an aluminum fuel tank, plumbing, wiring, exhaust and the labor to install and it would probably cost over $5,000 today, so I think it was probably reasonable.

"while u seem fine with it, 25 gallons of gasoline under the tongue would NOT b my choice".

I only carry about 3 to 4 gallons while traveling and fill with estimated need prior to camping. What would be your choice?

"again all nifty tweaks".

Thanks!
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...I only carry about 3 to 4 gallons while traveling and fill with estimated need prior to camping. What would be your choice?...]
my choice is carrying the genset IN the truck bed.

there is no 1 correct choice

but i've seen enough streams come OFF the ball (in wrecks) to not want gasoline under the trailer.

much depends on WHY one wants gen power or HOW one will use a genset...

boondocking is not about using the air conditioner (for me) i'd rather shift to a more pleasant climate.

using 75-100$ worth of gasoline over a weekend makes full hookups relatively IN expensive...

and so on.

check any/most of the genset vs solar threads and they are full of compromises or customized setups.

i sorta doubt mgm will be attracted to 5,000$ for a genset arrangement

and doubt the o.p. is even READing at that price point...

that you like your setup is clear and cool.

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my choice is carrying the genset IN the truck bed.

there is no 1 correct choice

but i've seen enough streams come OFF the ball (in wrecks) to not want gasoline under the trailer.

much depends on WHY one wants gen power or HOW one will use a genset...

boondocking is not about using the air conditioner (for me) i'd rather shift to a more pleasant climate.

using 75-100$ worth of gasoline over a weekend makes full hookups relatively IN expensive...

and so on.

check any/most of the genset vs solar threads and they are full of compromises or customized setups.

i sorta doubt mgm will be attracted to 5,000$ for a genset arrangement

and doubt the o.p. is even READing at that price point...

that you like your setup is clear and cool.

cheers
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Regarding "coming off the ball", I agree that a ruptured fuel tank would be problematic ......... but then so are those two 7.5 gallon each LPG bombs we all carry essentially exposed on the tongue. One must always be very consertive when towing and never get complacement.

As to usage, I do like the convenience of using the AC and microwave while stopped enroute, especially when fleeing hurricanes. And at home the genset makes for a good back-up power source. It's kept my refrigators powered during outages from tropical storms and hurricanes (I live in Houston).
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I love this place! It's so vast some folks have fair weather and have no use for an A/C, others need A/C 5 months a year. Some folks have high humidity and a swamp cooler won't work for them, my weather station frequently stops recording humidity at below 10% and a swamp cooler will usually do what I need, and my hydrocarbon intense silicon based solar panels should be able to charge that. Some dihydrogenoxide spewing carbon units want to overpower and limit the hydrocarbon productive use energy units that people may need to use for work. Love this place!
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Thanks, WITHIDL, for the photos!!!!!

Yes, a thread of it's own would be great.

As to explosions, have seen what happens to an aluminum trailer after the propane system goes when the trailer rolls over. Nothing but frame and scraps.

I like that 50-hours is possible with that setup. Living on the Gulf Coast is reason enough to want an RV with a generator so as to:

1] Choose where to live afterwards (long term temporary)
2] Live onsite (ruined home; during re-construction)
3] Have options when the power goes out under normal circumstances.
4] Being able to run A/C constantly under any circumstances.

(A/C use down here is at least nine months -- not five).

Thanks again for responding to the request for photos . . and that is some parking spot!
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Thanks, WITHIDL, for the photos!!!!!

Yes, a thread of it's own would be great.

As to explosions, have seen what happens to an aluminum trailer after the propane system goes when the trailer rolls over. Nothing but frame and scraps.

I like that 50-hours is possible with that setup. Living on the Gulf Coast is reason enough to want an RV with a generator so as to:

1] Choose where to live afterwards (long term temporary)
2] Live onsite (ruined home; during re-construction)
3] Have options when the power goes out under normal circumstances.
4] Being able to run A/C constantly under any circumstances.

(A/C use down here is at least nine months -- not five).

Thanks again for responding to the request for photos . . and that is some parking spot!
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Your more than welcome! If you need other photos just let me know and I'll try to provide them.
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I'm a thinkin' that the key to all this is how you use the unit and your expectations. I'm currently on an extended trip, and am working on evaluating my set up. I have 2 Honda 2k's hooked up to a 6? gal extended gasoline tank, semipermently mounted in the truck bed. I can run them under the cover of the bed lid if'n its raining, and they are leashed with heavy cable and locks. Out habit is to overnite in the usual walmarts, truck stops, rest areas, or other spots to park. They will run both the ac and microwave, and are not much more trouble than hooking up shore power. Upon arrival at a destination, we'll get into a trailer/rv park and do hook ups, drop the AS and go around acting like tourest. So far, so good but, I'm planning a new truck, and will modify a little. The new truck will have a utility body, so I can mount the gen sets in the body panel lockers a little more permament, and I'll tap into the truck fuel sys for the gas, or do a large dedicated propane tank. The biggest draw back so far is that I have to put on my pants to go out and shut them off, but I'll try to get a remote shutdown on the new truck.
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We use solar for almost everything. I considered making a mount for our 2 kW Honda for the cloudy weekends but decided to keep hauling it as a portable -- running it 100 feet away in the woods rather than having it vibrating the trailer was entirely worth the bother.
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Do you tow the 31' with an X5?
We are considering the new Cayenne. Our GX470 does OK, but could use more power. The GX has 150K on it, which means we can easily get another 50K. Problem is it is so nicely finished inside, other SUV's look really tacky. I looked at a "Platinum" Seqouia this week. It was too big and looked cheap.
We don't want a humongous truck for the occasional AS trip.

Your backing up must be an issue with the pool in the driveway!

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Do you tow the 31' with an X5?
We are considering the new Cayenne. Our GX470 does OK, but could use more power. The GX has 150K on it, which means we can easily get another 50K. Problem is it is so nicely finished inside, other SUV's look really tacky. I looked at a "Platinum" Seqouia this week. It was too big and looked cheap.
We don't want a humongous truck for the occasional AS trip.

Your backing up must be an issue with the pool in the driveway!

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See the following link for a detailed and very spirited discussion on my 2001 X5 4.4i (with Sport Package & Dinan engine/transmission upgrades), Hensley hitch and 31 foot 2002 ASCL (8,300# GVWR) assembly which I have pulled over 32,000 miles.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463/tow-vehicle-consultant-68904-3.html

The Porsche Cayenne has been used by Airstream to do testing, pulling I believe, a 25 foot trailer. It is just as powerful and stable (get “Sport Pkg.”) as the X5 so it should, with a Hensley or equivalent hitch, handle any length Airstream with ease. If I were to purchase another X5 today I would get the diesel which was not available in 2001. As to the interior, the X5 is first class, but having looked a the Cayenne its interior didn’t appeal to me.

As to my maneuvering into the back yard by the pool, it takes about 1 ˝ hours to back it in. Backing from the center of the street I “break” the AS to the street side over the curb and up hill about 15 feet to “thread” it through the 13 foot wide gate in the corner of the yard, trying to keep the street side of the AS from “just missing” the tall pine tree on it’s street side which positions the trailer to “break” a second time to the street side to thread it into my 10 foot wide “tight slip” between wings of the house. The AS wheels on the curb side do pass over the pool decking (but do not touch the coping/edge). Pulling out is much easier as it does not require any maneuvering, just a hard left turn from the “slip” followed by another hard left turn into the street.

I might note that without the X5’s all wheel drive I wouldn’t be able to back it into the yard as a two wheel drive vehicle does not have enough traction on the grass, especially when it is wet.
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"As to my maneuvering into the back yard by the pool, it takes about 1 ˝ hours to back it in. Backing from the center of the street I “break” the AS to the street side over the curb and up hill about 15 feet to “thread” it through the 13 foot wide gate in the corner of the yard, trying to keep the street side of the AS from “just missing” the tall pine tree on it’s street side which positions the trailer to “break” a second time to the street side to thread it into my 10 foot wide “tight slip” between wings of the house. The AS wheels on the curb side do pass over the pool decking (but do not touch the coping/edge). Pulling out is much easier as it does not require any maneuvering, just a hard left turn from the “slip” followed by another hard left turn into the street."



That's a great description as I can picture the whole thing going down in my head. I too had a difficult parking situation that seemed to take nearly an hour. I was so stressed by the end of the parking ordeal that I reconfigured the shelter so I could take a reasonable "one-shot" approach. It doesnt sound like that would be possible for your situation.

Good luck and take it slowwww

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That's a great description as I can picture the whole thing going down in my head. I too had a difficult parking situation that seemed to take nearly an hour. I was so stressed by the end of the parking ordeal that I reconfigured the shelter so I could take a reasonable "one-shot" approach. It doesnt sound like that would be possible for your situation.

Good luck and take it slowwww

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Thanks for the compliment on my "verbal picture".

As to stress, I could, and have temporarily parked it at the end of the pool by just going straight back after the first "break", but that puts it a little too much in the view of my neighbors. My "deed restrictions" state that I can have "a house trailer on my lot as long as it is not in general view" (really vague) and putting it at the end of the pool probably still would qualify as not being in "general view", but I want to keep the peace with the neighbors so I spend the extra time; stress has become less with practice.

Incidently, if I had a 34 foot 3 axle I doubt that it could be manuevered into the "slip"; just too much length and the 3 axles would resist the pivoting that the 2 axles readily accept.
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