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Old 12-28-2008, 05:40 PM   #43
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Hey Mark,

I'm way beyond "second thoughts" on US Carb but I'm stuck with the gal I brought to the dance so to speak and have to see it through. That means either make them make it right, buy a new carb and take this one back to gasoline only and/or buy a complete out of the box ready to go system from another manufacturer / conversion company.

I'm committed to owning a propane powered Honda generator in some configuration and will do so via some method.

As far as my advice to you; check out the company up in Maine that sells Honda's already converted and ready to go. Here's the link:

Triple-Fuel Honda EU2000i Inverter Generator

All companies and products occasionally have problems; it's how a company handles it from that point forward. US Carb never answers the phone and they did not respond to repeated emails requesting tech support until I literally FLOODED their fax machine with faxes in something like 60pt type. In fact, the ONLY time they contact me is when I flood their fax machine.

Consequently, after 20 days now on this Forum I stand by my original subject title and double it:

US Carburetion Propane Conversion NOT Recommended !!!
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:54 PM   #44
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Robstar,

Have you tried removing you gas return line to the tank and capping the nipple. If you don't plan on running petrol that would eliminate the possibility of a vacuum leak through the line. Make sure you can blow thru the line with no restrictions.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:37 PM   #45
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Hi Robert C. !

I definitely do NOT plan on using gasoline except in an emergency.

Are you referring to the line I've roughly outlined in the photo below?

If so, I've not done anything with that line. It seems to be attached into the crankcase? If I remove and plug it, from which end should I do that and in which direction would I blow towards; the tank or the motor?

Sorry to be so uneducated about motors; it probably comes natural to most of you but it's painfully not for me. By the same token, I can tech support PCs and Macs all day (though not my profession) and have the patience to do so... and professionally I'm an excellent Steadicam, aerial and underwater camera operator for film and television. No doubt I should keep my day job and not open a small or large engine repair shop!

Thanks again!

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Old 12-28-2008, 08:47 PM   #46
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Just so you know, I too have been following your troubles with considerable interest (and probably a lot of other folks have been also). I'm unfortunately not able to help, as I know nothing about Honda generators. But, I've been considering buying a Yamaha 2400 from them, all set for tri-fuel - but given your lack of customer support, especially when having this much trouble, this is giving me more than second thoughts. If they can't figure out how much damage is being done to what sounds like an already shaky reputation, my view is that they won't be around for long. Can't see buying from them. I'll look for another vendor.
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Old 12-29-2008, 04:36 AM   #47
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Robert/Robstar,

Thanks for the link. I will definitely check into that company in Bangor when I am ready to purchase a tri-fuel Yamaha 2400.

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Old 12-29-2008, 05:10 AM   #48
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By the same token, I can tech support PCs and Macs all day
Well ANYBODY can tech support a Mac! And would never take all day if you had too!

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Old 12-29-2008, 06:09 PM   #49
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Day Six... and the saga continues on!

US Carb called this morning and sent me yet another convoluted set of steps to start the unit, none of which worked.

They also tried to pawn the problems off on "your tanks look somewhat new and they may need to be purged". So, I took FOUR tanks down to the refill house and had all four purged by a tech using some sort of purging machine that looks like a little compressor. Then I had the tanks refilled and personally watched the liquid propane come out the purge valve.

Still none of that worked.

After all this, the US Carb tech said "The Owner" has agreed to pay for shipping the whole genny and parts back to them for inspection and repair.

They topped that nice piece of customer service off by insisting I sign and return a faxed document / contract that if they find that my genny or my work is the problem then I have to pay them for the shipping plus $40 an hour for labor!

As you can well imagine, after all the hassles, time, testing and junk I've been through this kind of gives me a real nice warm and fuzzy feeling to be treated so fairly as a customer; guilty until proven innocent. Of course I'm screwed either way because all they have to do is say it's my fault and I have no way or knowledge to prove otherwise. They had no response when I asked them if they find it's a US Carb issue were they going to compensate me for the six days I've spent on it?

No doubt there's a profanity policy here on this fine Forum but please use your most vivid imagination as to my thoughts on all this. Buyer beware with US Carb.

Again, a million thanks to everyone here who's suffered through my long whining posts and sub-idiot mechanical questions and especially to those of you who put a lot of thought / work into it.

Wayne & Sam... you're right! I'm a Mac guy and this conversion sure ain't no Mac!

Happy New Years to all and I'll update you when and if this thing ever gets resolved.

Robert "Sore Cranking Arms" Starling
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Robert,
Any positive up-dates?
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Old 01-12-2009, 11:21 PM   #51
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Any positive up-dates?
Well, actually yes there is a "potentially" positive update as of this morning and Robert C., you were on-target all along the way with your method even though US Carb didn't know it at the time.

First off, I still don't have the genny back yet but US Carb called this morning with an explanation of the problem and said it would ship today.

Here's the scoop:

The first zero-governor they sent was defective... duh!

The second one was fine but they also sent a LARGER hose and a LARGER load block to go with it. They also told me to open the Load adjustment screw more with this new set up.

The ultimate problem was (after the new governor was installed) that the carb was flooding due to the huge hose they added and of course the wide-open load block adjustment.

The said it took them a few hours to sort it out and that they had not done very many Honda's.... duh again!

They found that they needed to use a smaller more flexible hose (sound familiar Robert?) and just barely a turn out on the load block adjustment screw.

So Robert Cross, you were on target with the smaller hose all along and your act / action of convenience was actually why your genny works so well. Ultimately I don't think they used RC fuel line but I have not seen it yet.

I'm off to shoot a commercial job in the Turks & Caicos Islands in the Caribbean later this week and through next week so I probably won't have it in my hands until the 24th or so. We'll see then if they really fixed it and I'll post photos of the new set up. They swore to me on the phone this morning that they have it running with gasoline and propane 100%.

Hopefully this will be all behind us and we can move on. I'd like to order a Honda 3000 at some point or another EU2000 but it won't be from US Carb.

Thanks again to everyone!

Robert
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Robert,

I hope everything works when you get the generator it back. You should be canonized for what you went through. US Carb should pay the entire tab and give you another EU 2000 for the grief that made you go through.
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Bob,

Sounds promising, keep us posted.

Have a safe trip!!!
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Sorry for the long absence and lack of update but work seems to get in the way of things.

My Honda is back from US Carb and it started within the first 2-3 pulls; as it should have from the beginning.

They pretty much mirrored Robert's set up, they added a pitcock to shut the gasoline line on-off, used a smaller flexy hose like Robert has on his genny and eved added a quick release to that so I can pull the cover off completely. They installed my tachometer as well.

Once the genny was warmed up and running I used the load-block adjustment screw to fine tune the idle. What I found there was that the acceptable adjustment for that screw is no more than 1/4 to 1/2 turn in either direction before it became rough and/or stalled out. Based on the half-a$$ thing they called the installation / instruction manual it would have been purely the luck of the draw to have found such a small setting / range that would have allowed the genny to start had the initial parts not been defective etc..

Again, thanks to everyone here for the suggestions, advice, photos and support. Sorry to have whined about it so long but at least that part is over now.

In retrospect I would still not recommend US Carb propane generator conversions to anyone; run the opposite direction!

My next acquisition will be a Honda EU3000 and I'll get that one from the company that builds and sells them pre-converted from their factory. It's painfully obvious I'm not mechanically inclined.

All the best!

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Glad everything? work'd. I know it was a PITA for you.

What about cost? Hope they took care of that also.

Good luck!!!
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Hi Robert C.,

Again, thanks for your help!

They paid shipping there and back and after all this hassle still charged me $10 for the pitcock, nickel and diming...

Regardless, it's up and running and something to mark off my list finally.

All the best!

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