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Old 01-12-2016, 06:26 PM   #267
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:47 PM   #268
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Not at all. Buy a grommet to fit the hole, but first create a slit in it so you can wrap it around the wires. When positioned the slit won't prevent the grommet from doing it's job!
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Old 01-12-2016, 07:03 PM   #269
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Mike,

Not at all. Buy a grommet to fit the hole, but first create a slit in it so you can wrap it around the wires. When positioned the slit won't prevent the grommet from doing it's job!
What he said....many grommets come already slit, for just this application.
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Airstream brought the awning power wires out through a hole in the side of the trailer below the arm supports with no grommet for many years. The wires were often cut while still on the sales lot from folks opening and closing the awnings during demos. The inside wall had to be removed to gain access to the wires to fix the issue.....
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Old 01-15-2016, 04:20 PM   #271
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Our 2005 International CCD25SS pre-wire went from the fridge access to the bus area under the front sofa, roadside front corner. We installed our 2 125 watt panels in Nov 2007, wiring in series to cut the current. Our mppt solar charger automatically handles 12/24 vdc and, we were told, prefers 24vdc. So seems no problem using prewire.

We installed the charge controller in the front deck behind the sofa, so it sits above the buses and close to the batteries. Originally the charger was snugged down on the upholstery but we now have 3/8" air gap so it can cool. This one is holding up well whereas the first one didn't last two years.

One big change we made a few years ago was to mount the two panels onto a pair of common rails. We can tilt both panels at once in five minutes or less and without getting off the ladder.





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Old 01-19-2016, 09:18 PM   #272
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Old 01-19-2016, 10:36 PM   #273
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Old 02-01-2016, 07:39 PM   #274
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Refrig Vent Stack

Would like to see if anyone has photo(s) looking down into the refrig vent from the roof were they have ran the cabling, that they would post on this thread and also if anyone has used the small cabinet (with flip-up door) above the refrig (if your AS has this option) to install the displays/controller(s) for the solar system (photos please). Thanks in advance.
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Old 02-01-2016, 10:24 PM   #275
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To each his/her own I guess. I mounted my panel (single 150 watt) with the 3M tape and the Sikaflex recommended for solar w/UV resist. Also, I am not at all convinced in the need for wiring change. AM Solar 100watt panels are 5.92 amps each mono optimum. That's 18 amps for three panels- well within 10AWG rating. I must share that just last week I added the tilt feature but to do it I had to retrofit my Z mounts. I used cotter pins with hitch clips and aluminum elbow brackets with a kit from Rural Solar in CA. I can tilt either side and it raised the panel. When doing the modification I had to remove two of the mounts from the roof that were taped and "caulked" with the sikaflex. I CAN only say WOW as to how well that stuff adheres. It took all my might to break it loose and that was after I sawed at it with a knife for some time. Very powerful stuff. I would NOT drill holes in the roof thinking the tape and sikaflex would not hold it.

I am amazed at the solar information on the Internet many good ideas. One thing as you plan your solar remember, that it does not all have to go on the roof! Those suitcases are nice and can be used outside the wooded canopy you may park under.

Tsunami, I went with the cable down the fridge vent as that was where my Airstream's prewire was located. Basically, I drilled a hole in the side of the vent shaft on the roof and used that super duper sikaflex as a sealant and grommet. I tried the going through the grate cover without success. As far as mounting the monitor, I used the Airstream prewire as well for that (on my model) I just had to add the 4 contact phone terminal to the wire located behind the tank/battery monitor panel in the galley area. The other end was located down in the battery box area where I also mounted the solar controller.
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Well after using flash lights and small mirrors to be able to look into the hidden recess of the cabinet structure, I have found that my best pathway for the 6 gage wire from the roof combiner box into the interior of the AS, is to drill a hole just aft of the vent stack (street side) that runs down through the hallway closet which provides access under the refrig, sink cabinets and then under the front "L" lounge to the main 12vdc distribution point and exit out to the battery box. The last thing I'm working on is how to remove the back panel of the small shuttered cubby above the refrig, which is where I plan in install the disconnect switch, Charge Controller and IPN Pro panels (more design work in progress). While installing the solar wiring, I'm completing the install of an actuator to raise/lower my roof top WiFi antenna. I'll be running the coaxial cable and power wire through the roof top combiner box and use the same interior solar wire chase. Close to having the actuator mounted on a custom fabricated bracket that will attached to the diverter between the AC and refer roof vent.
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Hi Soyboy.

I'm sure you'll be pleased to acquire all that silent clean power. It is a very worthwhile upgrade.

I don't wish to contradict Lewster but unless AM Solar has changed the terminal fused connector, or you upgrade the connector yourself, I don't see much point in going to all that extra work to avoid connecting to the bus. The connections from the bus to the batteries are pretty heavy (I'm guessing they are easily AWG 4 - 6). OTOH, the terminal connector that AM Solar provided me is a much lighter gauge & I would bet that if there is any voltage drop in the system it is there & not at the bus level. (See attached pic) I called Roger at AM Solar & asked him whether this light gauge connector was good enough & he assured me it was. If they are now using heavier 4 or 6 AWG wire for the longer interior runs then it would make sense to go to the extra work to fish the wire all the way to the exterior batteries, but otherwise, IMHO it's a lot of extra work for minimal gain.



Good luck & have fun with your project. It's a pretty satisfying upgrade.

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Lew, would you please clarify the point of pulling 6 gage wire directly to the batteries vs Pos & Neg buss bars. Not looking start an argument, just wanting to make sure I get the straight skinny. Thanks
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You can in theory get optimal electron flow by avoiding multiple connections which can and will oxidize over time. If you must wire directly to the buss make certain you protect all the connections by using an electric suitable grease on all of the connections.
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Lew, would you please clarify the point of pulling 6 gage wire directly to the batteries vs Pos & Neg buss bars. Not looking start an argument, just wanting to make sure I get the straight skinny. Thanks
Lovely rat's nest of wires you have there……….compliments of Airstream!! It might take an additional 10-15 minutes to properly run those wires so they are not all inter-twined and cable them….even with the dreaded electrical tape!!!

Sorry for the rant…….I ALWAYS clean up that mangled mess when I see it.

Anyway, every connection that you have is a source of voltage drop. Direct connection to the batteries eliminates just one more source of this, and also bypasses a potential increased source of resistance when (not IF) those bus bar screws loosen over time. I use 2 connections between the solar array and the batteries: one for a disconnect switch in the positive cable leading INTO the solar charge controller and a second for a marine circuit breaker in the positive charge line FROM the solar charge controller TO the batteries (this is required by code). All of the negative solar cables run from the array directly to the charge controller and then from the controller directly to the batteries. ALL connections are made with serrated flange locknuts that require 3X the torque to loosen them as to tighten them. They DO NOT loosen.

Everything else is a 'home run'.

That's how I do it (and so does AM Solar for the let 29 years) and I'm sticking with it.

As always………….YMMV!!
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