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Old 10-23-2014, 09:32 PM   #29
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I think you will find many modern aircraft are made entirely of bonded composites, including the rotor blades on newer helicopters. The newer bonding agents, applied properly,(and that is the key) are stronger than the parent material. Chevy has been holding the doors and hinges on their vehicles with glue for years, no bolts. A properly installed solar panel should never come off. Just my 2 cents- Rolland


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Old 10-23-2014, 10:50 PM   #30
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AM Solar used a combination of adhesive tape, screws and Sikaflex on our installation this summer. They were concerned that the curvature of the narrower roof of the 8' wide 23D International might not be ideal for an adhesive tape-only application and decided to err on the side of caution. They felt the effects of heat over time on a non-flat surface tape application were not completely understood.

Your 16 foot International has the same roof curvature as the 23D. They might be well advise to follow AM's lead on the redo.
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Old 10-24-2014, 06:24 AM   #31
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I am unaware of a single structural application where an aircraft is bonded with an adhesive. Non-structural yes, many, but not structural.
Not pertinent. Solar panels on a trailer are non-structural, too. We're not talking about replacing all of the rivets in an Airstream with adhesive.
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:42 AM   #32
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We're not talking about replacing all of the rivets in an Airstream with adhesive.

Too late. I already drilled all my rivets, and replaced them with 3m adhesive tape... Why didn't I look into this a little further???

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Old 10-24-2014, 08:51 AM   #33
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Be advised the 3m tape comes in a variety of speeds. Strong, really strong and super strong.
Seriously they are rated in pound ratings per sq inch.... Like 15, 25,45, 90.
If I recall, they start at a light grey and go to black, black being the high test stuff. There is also a cleaner and primer product available, should you desire a 3 step program!
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Old 10-24-2014, 08:57 AM   #34
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I used the light pink... So, my trailer is likely to fly apart at any second.

-Red, waiting on panels to fly off...

Actually, I never knew any of this about the two sided tape, so this thread has been very informative. Unfortunately, I have a hard time refraining from being a smarty pants... No malice intended, of course.
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Pink is for sissies with under 100 watt panels!

VHB tape is the best thing to come along since sliced Velveeta and Spam.
No malice intended either!
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:07 AM   #36
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I originally installed my solar panels with sliced Velveeta and Spam... That crap didn't work at all!

-Red, hoping the pink works better...
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Of course but did you prep the surface?
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Ooohhh, I didn't think of surface prep. No wonder...

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Do the AS factory tour and you will quickly learn that the rivets are only there to hold the double sided tape that is between the skin and the ribs in place. Carefully watch the guy on the inside that is allegedly holding a bucking bar. It is for the tour show. Bar has a hole in the end of it. No bucking takes place. It's all about the double side sticky tape.
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AM Solar used a combination of adhesive tape, screws and Sikaflex on our installation this summer. They were concerned that the curvature of the narrower roof of the 8' wide 23D International might not be ideal for an adhesive tape-only application and decided to err on the side of caution. They felt the effects of heat over time on a non-flat surface tape application were not completely understood.

Your 16 foot International has the same roof curvature as the 23D. They might be well advise to follow AM's lead on the redo.
I had exactly the same experience with my install, using AM Solar equipment and a local RV solar specialist. He was not confident in using the 3M tape only (even though I supplied it to him for his use) due to the AS curves. He used the 3M, screws, Silkaflex, and Dicor. Shouldn't blow off.
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Thanks again for all the good information. I'm going to give the dealer a couple more days to respond. If the response isn't positive, I'll post the response but will refrain from naming the dealer. Have spoken to a non-Airstream dealer not far away who seems willing to to the repair/replacement.
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Keep track of all your costs associated with this incident as the original installer should reimburse you for them due to shoddy installation. Or be encouraged to do so in small claims court.....
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