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Old 12-01-2012, 08:24 PM   #43
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Hi, I would like to have solar panels, but cost wise versus usage doesn't make sense to me at this time. I have a nice generator and haven't really used it that much either. Not running a generator for a carbon foot print point of view makes no sense to me since most all of us burn tons of fuel in our tow vehicles getting to these places that we want to go to. As for freezing, it's 32 degrees F, the point where water freezes.
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I doubt that many who install solar do it in consideration of minimizing carbon footprint. I for one did it for the convenience and pleasure of not creating noise in the natural environments that we seek for camping. I also have a generator, a Yamaha 2400 that is as 'quiet' as any made. I've used it three times when we 'needed' A/C. I don't even carry it except during trips down south in summer heat. The convenience of a rooftop solar installation that ensures charged batteries when you pull into a camp site, maintains them while camping, and is completely quiet and maintenance free is absolutely worth the investment for me. As for economics, my investment in quality solar hardware was less than that for my generator. Both were a small fraction of the cost of our new Airstream. I did pay my dealer for the installation on the Airstream, but one could certainly DIY as I did on my Casita.

To each his own. I only hope that generator users will be considerate and limit run time when in otherwise quiet environments. At the risk of mimicking Henry David Thoreau, we go camping to relax, to escape the noise and complexity of daily life, to live quietly and enjoy nature. We should treasure and protect that opportunity.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:47 PM   #44
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Hi, Ironically I also have a Yamaha 2400 generator. I also went to Alaska last year too. I also brought my generator and about 4 1/2 gallons of gas [in a 5 gallon can] for the generator or my tow vehicle if needed. After 50 days and over 10,000 miles, on this trip, I came home with the generator and spare gas un-used. But it felt good knowing that we had them if needed.

We also came home with some new rock dings too.
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Old 12-02-2012, 05:30 AM   #45
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"we go camping to relax, to escape the noise and complexity of daily life, to live quietly and enjoy nature. We should treasure and protect that opportunity."

Our generator is as quiet as any unsupervised child, dog or stereo.


I'm just glad all this generator loud talk is taking place here where it can't be heard rather than at the campground where it would drown out everything.

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Old 12-02-2012, 07:42 AM   #46
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The source of noise while camping makes a difference to me,I will have quads,a Jeep or a Loud Diesel to off road in,Even some loud Grandkids.They are all happy sounds,a generator just tends to take us back to that other world we drove hours to get away from.
Although I also have that back-up Honda just in case......
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:53 AM   #47
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Our generator is as quiet as any unsupervised child, dog or stereo.
Maybe quieter. Normal human conversation (no shouting) is about 55~60 dB. A Honda eu2000 generator puts out about 58 dB. A barking dog is around 70 dB, though some high-pirched lapdogs seem louder. Alarm clock radios are about 80 dB, and stereos are usually louder than that. Most usually when they're playing a genre of music you don't like. Screaming children can pump out an amazing 105~110 dB if they try.

But none of this has anything to do with solar power, so I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
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Old 12-02-2012, 08:38 AM   #48
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We have solar on our Argosy and love it! Sold our home and bought 63 acres with nothing on it, only a road in. Solar has kept us quite comfortable with the Honda 2000 as a backup. Last winter we were in Arizona for 3 months and had no backup and no hookups for 3 months. We never went without power. Powers everything but the ac..
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Old 12-02-2012, 12:46 PM   #49
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Rick, our panels are attached with, believe it or not, tape. Not just any tape - it's a very special, extra strong, no-holes-in-the-skin tape solution. I'm not sure if it came with the solar panel kit or was simply recommended. It's worked fine for thousands of miles of towing, and in blistering heat and freezing cold.
Hi web spinner,
I am planning to add solar panels and was hoping you might describe the install with tape. Are the panels (which brand ?) you used flexible and are they therefore attached with the tape for their full length and width? Is this a double sided tape? The tape sure seems like the way to go, but I' m having trouble visualizing it. I have installed rigid panels on a boathouse, with bolts, through brackets with a mere 2 inch by 2 inch footprint.
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Is this a double sided tape? The tape sure seems like the way to go, but I' m having trouble visualizing it. I have installed rigid panels on a boathouse, with bolts, through brackets with a mere 2 inch by 2 inch footprint.
The tape is placed only on the four "feet" of the solar panel, not the length of the panel. The tape is extremely strong. Here's a demo of it:
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Ha! According to the demo above (last quarter of vid), Airstream should be taping the trailers together instead of using rivets!
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Old 12-02-2012, 07:05 PM   #53
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We want to go solar, but just don't have the available cash right now. Any idea how much to budget for a 200 - 250 watt system installed (assuming something from AM Solar or equivalent)? I am guessing somewhere around $2,000 to $3,500. Am I in the ballpark or just dreaming? Maybe I should send a letter to Santa....
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Ha! According to the demo above (last quarter of vid), Airstream should be taping the trailers together instead of using rivets!
Hi, my aluminum bodied Grumman Olson, P-30, Mac Tools truck was riveted and glued together.
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We want to go solar, but just don't have the available cash right now. Any idea how much to budget for a 200 - 250 watt system installed (assuming something from AM Solar or equivalent)? I am guessing somewhere around $2,000 to $3,500. Am I in the ballpark or just dreaming? Maybe I should send a letter to Santa....
You can do it in stages if you plan it right.buy a big enough controller,cables etc and add panels and Battery capacity as it fits into the budget,
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We want to go solar, but just don't have the available cash right now. Any idea how much to budget for a 200 - 250 watt system installed (assuming something from AM Solar or equivalent)? I am guessing somewhere around $2,000 to $3,500. Am I in the ballpark or just dreaming? Maybe I should send a letter to Santa....
I got a 200 watt system from AM Solar with inverter for $3.5k, installed. Local (mobile) guy installed it. Since you're in L.A., PM me and I'll give you the specs and the installer's contact info. Installer was great and he knows Airstreams.
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