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Old 03-04-2008, 10:50 PM   #43
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What is everyone doing to secure their generators while in use overnight with the Airstream? We're planning on using Master cable locks.

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That's what we used originally, thru the handle and threaded thru one

of the AS wheels. But to be honest I can't remember when the last time we

had to let it run overnight. Usually gets stored in the back of the Burb. Or

in a two-man Camping World tent we use to run it in during wet weather,

usually when Dock'n. Bob
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Old 03-04-2008, 11:57 PM   #44
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What is everyone doing to secure their generators while in use overnight with the Airstream? We're planning on using Master cable locks.

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Hi, I haven't seen it yet, but a friend of mine said the handles cut real easy and because of that he, somehow, connected the cable to the generator engine mount or frame. He has a Honda 1000. I will have to go and see how he made it more difficult for the thieves.
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What is everyone doing to secure their generators while in use overnight with the Airstream? We're planning on using Master cable locks.

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I have a krypton 3/8 security cable. Securied to the tie down in the bed of my truck. It will keep the casual thief at bay but not the pro.
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That's what we used originally, thru the handle and threaded thru one

of the AS wheels. But to be honest I can't remember when the last time we

had to let it run overnight. Usually gets stored in the back of the Burb. Or

in a two-man Camping World tent we use to run it in during wet weather,

usually when Dock'n. Bob
You make an interesting point that I hadn't thought of before, sheltering the generator(s) while in use during inclement weather. How large is the tent that you are using? Also, are there other sheltering methods in use out the in Forumsland?

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We had sheltered our 3000 (which was sitting on a platform welded to the back of our old SOB) by putting one of our X-pens around it, and then a tarp over the x-pen.

For the non-dog people out there, an x-pen is a portable pen used for dogs. They come in different heights, with 8 two foot wide sections of fence. They are heavier to carry with you than a small tent would be, but we need them along anyway.

I have seen some people use a small portable table, with a tarp over that if needed.

We have never secured the gen, much to my disapproval . But I am going to try to insist that we do that with the new 2000's. At least they will be easier to put back into the van for security.

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I can't find the thread (it may have been on RV.net) but the best security option I read was bolting a piece of metal to the bottom of the generator feet so it extended out the side 8", then parking the trailer on the metal. There are quite a few threads on the Web about these things waking off - even while running!
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You make an interesting point that I hadn't thought of before, sheltering the generator(s) while in use during inclement weather. How large is the tent that you are using? Also, are there other sheltering methods in use out the in Forumsland?

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Brian.

Just checked the Camping World web page and I don't see the one we have.

Of-course we got it at least 6yrs ago. It's about 7' square. Not at all like the

old style, you just slide it out of the bag and shake it, pop's up itself then

just stake it down. I usually put down several of our stacking leveling

blocks to set the gen on, keeps it out of any water that might leak in.

Have one of those super absorbent car wash towels that we soak up any

water with. Also have cut a small hole in the floor and use a metal tent

stake and braided copper grounding strap. Obviously it's important to

keep the windows and door open while running the gen. But if you center

the unit and wipe up what little moisture gets in it's good to go.

Have never had a problem, it's also a good place to store all the other

stuff ya want to keep dry. Oh, it really stinks though, son don't plan on

sleeping in it.

Been do'n this for at least 10yrs.


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So the conversation continues...

Is anyone running a 15,000 btu a/c on the twin hondas 2000's or the single Yamaha 2400?

I may (and I really mean may) upgrade the bambi to a beautiful 2006 28' CCD with a 15,000 btu a/c... can either set up run this kind of ac?

Here's my thing: I don't mind turning off the a/c to run the microwave for the 5 minutes it will take to cook a sweet potato.

As long as i can get enough juice to run/charge my laptop and other batteries, i'm good with the smallest, lightest, and most-efficient generator set up. But it has to run the a/c for (potentially) days without killing the a/c or the generator.

My thought currrently is to go for a setup that includes a combination of solar, wind and a generator. I'll count on the solar and/or wind to top off the batteries and use the generator to run the ac & microwave as needed.

If the Yamaha 2400 can run a 15,000 btu ac (on the 28), I'll go that route with the tri-fuel option (btw: what is the third fuel?) for flexibility.

Here's my basic power requirements:
12V DC:
a couple of lights (3-4 hours at night)
the fantastic fan (time depending on weather)
Stereo MUST 2-8 hours
Ipod on 12V DC charger (same as stereo)

110V AC:
AC 0-10 hours per day (depending on weather)
Microwave 5 minutes per day (baked potato, water)
Laptop 2-4 hours per day (this is also my tv).
Camera Battery charger 2 hours per day.

So today's question, after reading this thread and all of the others (thanks for the references 2air), am I fundamentally missing something in the analysis?

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If any of you wondering about generators run into me out there on the road and want to know if a 2400is will meet your needs, I will be more than happy to let you test the question with mine (i.e. see if if will run your AC- not keep it overnight). I don't know if it will help anyone or not, but thats my offer.
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So the conversation continues...

Is anyone running a 15,000 btu a/c on the twin hondas 2000's or the single Yamaha 2400?
The power in the campground was out yesterday morning. Just for grins I tried to run the AC on my single Honda EU2000I. It did not work. It tried it started but it was a hard start and I stopped it. A 2400 may have done it. But it was just too close for my comfort. I would prefer to have a second 2000 to help the start.
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My thought currrently is to go for a setup that includes a combination of solar, wind and a generator. I'll count on the solar and/or wind to top off the batteries and use the generator to run the ac & microwave as needed.
Solar and wind will do nothing for running the AC and the Microwave. One of the reasons I ditched the microwave for a real life stove.
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If the Yamaha 2400 can run a 15,000 btu ac (on the 28), I'll go that route with the tri-fuel option (btw: what is the third fuel?) for flexibility.
Running on Propane will reduce the output rating will reduce.
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Here's my basic power requirements:
12V DC:
a couple of lights (3-4 hours at night)
the fantastic fan (time depending on weather)
Stereo MUST 2-8 hours
Ipod on 12V DC charger (same as stereo)

110V AC:
AC 0-10 hours per day (depending on weather)
Microwave 5 minutes per day (baked potato, water)
Laptop 2-4 hours per day (this is also my tv).
Camera Battery charger 2 hours per day.
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Your requirements will use a lot of fuel Gas or propane. How long do you intend to be out?
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Hi Michelle!

I'm currently out for the next four months in south florida and currently, I'm tethered to parks with 30amp hook ups. I want to get away and off grida asap. I should be ok for March and most of April, but come May, AC will be a must.

I'm figuring to only run the generator(s) when the ac is running and on occasion to run the microwave as needed. I want to count on solar and/or wind to run the 12V DC stuff.

OH... I only want to buy a generator set ONCE. =)
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Hi Michelle!

I'm currently out for the next four months in south florida and currently, I'm tethered to parks with 30amp hook ups. I want to get away and off grida asap. I should be ok for March and most of April, but come May, AC will be a must.

I'm figuring to only run the generator(s) when the ac is running and on occasion to run the microwave as needed. I want to count on solar and/or wind to run the 12V DC stuff.

OH... I only want to buy a generator set ONCE. =)
My 106W of solar will keep the batteries up when not running the heater. It seems to keep up with the inverter when running the TV as well.

Find out and add up all your DC loads. Use the solar for a majority of it. Wind generation is a pain to set up and tear down if you are moving around. You need a tower to get any real benefits.

Get a pair of honda 2000s (Gas) and a parallel kit or the Yamaha 2400 (Gas). Others can answer if the 2400 can start or run your AC. I would go with the two 2000s for a definate margin. Those can be run on propane and still start the AC.
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...Is anyone running a 15,000 btu a/c on the twin hondas 2000's or the single Yamaha 2400?...
the 2x2000 will handle the 13,500 or 15,000 btu ac EASILY and with power for other gadgets too...

the 2400 is reported to power the 11,000 btu ac.

the amp rating for the 13,500 and 15,000 units (new ones) are the same.

some user reports....

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f448...0-a-13986.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f448...0-a-19725.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f142...000-17740.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f448...3-a-15517.html

it appears a 2800 yam or 3000 honda are about the minimum needed for NEW larger ac...

IF you don't wanna kill the appliance.

some of the confusion comes from how old/new the ac is...

folks wanna avoid using the technical jargon, and that also blurs the picture...

as i understand it do THIS...

-LOOK UP the specs for a given ac...

-AMPS for start up and amps for continuous usage are the important items (or watts)

-LOOK UP the specs for a given gen set (peak and continuous)...

-the peak amps (watts) need to be higher than the ac start up needs and

-the continuous power (watts/amps) from the genset needs to be 10-20 % more than base needs for the ac...

2x2000 hondas generate 35+ amps at peak, while a 15,000 ac needs 13-15 start up amps, so PLENTY of power, get it?

also MOST rv air conditioner manuals WILL SPECIFY minimum sizes for gen set power...

the 15,000 btu duotherms suggest 3500 WATTS minimum in the owners manual....

owners often 'get by' with a little less like a 3000 watt genset and some gensets (honda) perform a little better than the 'ratings'...

but WHO KNOWS about long term damage or life cycle for the ac and fridge and inverter and other devises?

extra capacity is usually a good thing for the genset AND the appliances !

NOISE is also an issue because these gensets are MUCH QUIETER when NOT running a peak power...

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I have the Yamaha 2400IS, converted to propane or gas. Nice, quiet.

My AC unit is the 15k variety, complete with heat pump. Nice unit. But the manual says that the AC needs a 3500 minimum. So I have not felt the need to try mine.

To tell the truth, I'd probably be just as happy to have done what Silvertwinkie did - decide that AC is not ever in the gen picture, so just bought a 1000 rig to keep his batteries and minimal needs met. Much less of a load to carry around.

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