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Old 02-20-2008, 05:26 PM   #15
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I currently have a Honda 3000, which we bought just a few years ago. Works great, but we have been told it will not power the AC in our 08 25' Safari (13,500 BTU I believe). My husband also does not want to have to move it. We had it mounted on the back of our old SOB, but we would now have to carry it in the TV.
The 3000 will run the A/C. I have one.
You have a couple of options that may work for moving the 3000. You can purchase a wheel kit for $$$ or build a simple wheel kit for $. I'll search for the thread and repost it here.

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Old 02-20-2008, 05:40 PM   #16
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We carry the 2000 in our TV with no gas odor. The seal on the cap works well.

Rather than carry extra gas, I carry a syphon kit. I can take 1 gallon of fuel out of the TV directly into the generator and that's good for about 3 to 4 hrs. of generator use.

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I own a Honda 3000 and my Honda shop allowed me to try it for my a/c before purchasing..It ran it like a champ. I have a pickup as a t/v and place it in the back of the truck and run an extension cord to the trailer (34'). Have used it many times on boondocking trips that needed A/C. Holds 3.5 gallons of gas. By leaving the A/C on and let it cycle...my best time so far is 8.5 hours of operation with 3.5 gallons.. It's super quiet, electric start (a must!) and you can parallel it too if you need more power.My friends have two 2000 and like theirs, too...becomes a personal choice. Mine is one machine, less gas, plenty of power. Hope this helps in your evaluation.
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The 3000 will run the A/C. I have one.
You have a couple of options that may work for moving the 3000. You can purchase a wheel kit for $$$ or build a simple wheel kit for $. I'll search for the thread and repost it here.
Thanks,

do you know how many BTU's your AC is? I read up on the wheel kit, but my husband's main concern is lifting it into the TV, which is high, (a one ton van). We move it with a dolly, so that works quite well, but lifting it is a drag. I have to help him lift it, and I think he is just getting tired that. I will probably try to sell it, as it is fairly new, or we could take it to our house in Maine, where we spend the summer, We lose power more often up there, and having a back up generator would be nice.

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We carry the 2000 in our TV with no gas odor. The seal on the cap works well.

Rather than carry extra gas, I carry a syphon kit. I can take 1 gallon of fuel out of the TV directly into the generator and that's good for about 3 to 4 hrs. of generator use.

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John, great idea about the syphon kit. Our TV has a 38 gallon tank so we would have plenty of gas. I will mention that to my husband.

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Am in the process now of converting the 2000 to run on both

propane and petrol, no more carting that extra gas everywhere.
I was reading about the conversion to propane. I do not think my husband would want to do something like that himself, however. With propane being sometimes harder to come by, being able to run on both would be nice. Can you just switch back and forth, or do you need to do something major to change. Is it much more expensive to run on propane?
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I was reading about the conversion to propane. I do not think my husband would want to do something like that himself, however. With propane being sometimes harder to come by, being able to run on both would be nice. Can you just switch back and forth, or do you need to do something major to change. Is it much more expensive to run on propane?
It's not much of a problem to switch back and forth. You do have to

put a shut-off petcock in the fuel line to the carb when on propane, and cap

propane supply line to eliminate any possible vacuum leaks. Only takes a few min.

to switch over. I haven't had the opportunity to run it any length of time

but have talked to others who have done the conversion and they have

told me that a 10# bottle of propane equals about 5gal of gas. Maybe

someone has some more info on this. Longer running time was not really

why we made the change. Generator Conversion Kits to Propane and Natural Gas.

Be'n an x-knuckle buster I just never want to smell "that" smell if I can

possibly avoid it. One word of caution though, doing the conversion on a

new unit will void the factory 2yr warranty. (mine was 3-1/2 yrs old)

The older kits that were available did require you to drill a hole in the

body of the carb to install the propane supply line. You now send the carb

to them and they install the line. (the carb is very easy to remove)

Here is a link to a very worthwhile accessory.

Hour Meter / Tachometer* and maintenence box
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Thanks for the info Robert. I am going to try (operative word her being TRY) to get my husband to read up on this with me, so we can make a decision.

I don't want to void a warrenty on a new generator, but now I am wondering also if you can connect two 2000's when running on propane.

or if we could just keep the 3000, and convert it to propane. Can you run the generator from inside the TV, (with windows or doors open) when running with propane? If that was possible, then maybe we could just convert the 3000 and be set. The reason we did not want to keep it was mostly due to having to move it around, but if we could keep it inside the TV, that would elimiate that problem.

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Thanks for the info Robert. I am going to try (operative word her being TRY) to get my husband to read up on this with me, so we can make a decision.

Can you run the generator from inside the TV, (with windows or doors open) when running with propane? If that was possible, then maybe we could just convert the 3000 and be set. The reason we did not want to keep it was mostly due to having to move it around, but if we could keep it inside the TV, that would elimiate that problem.

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NEVER RUN IT INSIDE LIVING SPACE

As far as inside the tv goes, you don't get the regular gas fumes, but you

would get a smell that is not exactly pleasant. Best to keep it outside.

Plus, even keeping the propane tank outside, there is always the possibility

of a leak and that would be a major safety concern. Wev'e always kept

the generator as far from the Stream as possible.

You can get a conversion for the 3000, and it would probably be an

easier job. Being a larger unit there is more room to work with.

I'm sure there is someone here that can give you more info.



Good luck on the Husband "conversion".
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"It has been kind of a pain to carry the extra gas though, and thats where

the fumes originate. Store three 1 gal. plastic containers in the storage

box behind the propane tanks, not really comfortable with that solution

either. Am in the process now of converting the 2000 to run on both

propane and petrol, no more carting that extra gas everywhere."

I am a Honda 2000 owner and agree its hard to beat the parallel two gen set up for flexability and weight in terms of moving and carrying about the generators. Rather than the conversion to propane I decided I might try and kill 2 birds with one stone.
My HD 2500 Silverado gasser only holds about 28 gal of fuel and I want more range. 2 options I considered, 1 to replace the original TV gas tank with a Midship 45 gal tank ( expensive and seems like a waste of a good original gas tank) and the other is to place a Transfer Flow refueling tank in the rear of the bed. The bed tank size is 54L x 12.5 W x 21.5 D. I feel with the refuel I also am able to fuel up the generators as well. Can't do that with the Midship replacement, unless I want to siphon or carry plastic containers, which I really don't want to do. I would install a 15x40 window (that works like the rear window above the tail gate), on the driver side of my TV alum cap. Simply unlock this window and raise it up for full access to the refulling pump (and other stuff on that side) to either fill the TV or generators or whatever. I am still in the process fact finding all this right now so I will let you all know how I make out. The TV fill situation isn't perfect cause it isn't automatic...ya gotta stop at a road side rest to do the TV refill,,,but it still gives the range and piece of mind..... the ability to fill gens and is DOT approved. Really it seems to me to be a legal and safe option for my 2005 Silverado, as far as I can find out, for what I want to do.. I am not legally allowed by DOT to connect to my existing fuel system at least on my yr. truck,,,some earlier models I think you can. The Transfer Flow system is DOT approved, not cheap but as I considered the options it seems it might work well. It's got 50 gal capicity with baffels, Fuel Filter and refueling pump. 50 Gal capacity (smallest avail) but I think I would start trying it at 1/2 till I seel how my total Wt. worked out. Any feedback would be appreciated.
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do you know how many BTU's your AC is? I read up on the wheel kit, but my husband's main concern is lifting it into the TV, which is high, (a one ton van). We move it with a dolly, so that works quite well, but lifting it is a drag. I have to help him lift it, and I think he is just getting tired that. I will probably try to sell it, as it is fairly new, or we could take it to our house in Maine, where we spend the summer, We lose power more often up there, and having a back up generator would be nice.

Diane
Hi, Diane. In your posts on this subject that I started, you bring up some of my main concerns. (1.) Larger generators are too heavy. (2.) Not wanting to haul gas cans and/or have fumes in my tow vehicle. [tow vehicle is not a pick-up] (3.) Haveing to convert your generator to propane, is something I could do, but would rather buy one already set up. Such as the Yamaha tri-fuel.
I know parallel set ups work great, but I still only want to carry only one generator. One other concern is, my tow vehicle uses premium fuel, so syphoning might not work since, I believe that the generators are set up to run on regular fuel.
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Robert.....forget the worry about running a gas genny that is set up for regular and putting primium in it. It will not hurt a thing. Matter of fact it anything it might be a bit better for it. It does not make any difference if it runs on regular or premium. Ask a distributor....I have run my yard equipment of premium for many years....and it runs great. Premium fuel will actually burn a bit cooler in the combustion chamber....but this is marginal and really does not have anything to do with longevity. IT IS FINE TO RUN PREMIUM IN ANYTHING THAT IS DESIGNED TO RUN ON REGULAR.
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hi robert

on the fumes issue...

while i usually carry the genset in the truck bed, i have occasionally carried in the cab or trailer.

the 2000 fits easily into the 'heavy contractor' bags and then goes into a rubbermaid tub.

no gas small at all, with the tank full. anywhere.

the gas can is more of a challenge. i usually carry it empty or bag and tub it, IF there's gas inside.

fuel ratings...

honda spec 86 octane or higher fuel...

any indication of ping/spark knock during load, they advise to switch petrol brands...

so i usually buy mid grade for the genset and add techroline and stabil to the can...

and use m-1 5/30 or 10/30 changed 2x yearly.

still runs like a champ, and it does better under a significant load (1500 watts)

i'm a big fan of 2 hondas with a parallel kit, BUT in your case i'd go for the yamaha trifuel.

it will run your ac under moderate condtions, but if it's not enough, they have great resale value.

once the honda 2000 is handled, it's very appealing. lift moving, positioning and cranking very easily, they are nicely packaged too.

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Diane- You've already have the 3000, so try it out. You're not going to kill the generator with a test run or two. I find it hard to believe that it won't run your A/C.

I have the Yamaha 2400 and it runs my 11k BTU A/C- with not much to spare, but it runs just fine. And that is running on propane. I just added an extra LP hose off the Airstream's tanks and it's a very easy connection.

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