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Old 08-03-2010, 08:38 PM   #15
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the short is in my RV. direct connection to non-FGCI shorepower works ok, but as soon as I use surge protector inline to shorepower, surge protector trips. From one of your eary posts(2006?), you had a similar problem with neutral and ground being connected that caused GFCI at campsites to fail. However, I have not heard from anyone on this forum that states definitively whether they are or are not supposed to connected together in AS. I have a call into AS tech support, so I should here something back any time now, but wanted to pick your brain a little first.
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Old 08-03-2010, 08:44 PM   #16
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ok, that's clearer...

yes i reported about the neutral/ground SHORT in my unit....

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...lks-21082.html

and NO it's not supposed to be that way normally.

the short in my unit was a result of an a/s service tech OVER tightening a screw in the airconditioner junction box...

before they agreed to LOOK for the problem and found it, i spent a YEAR dealing with gfci TRIPPING...

the company line was "don't use parks with gfci connections"

and that BS was dropped immediately after finding and fixing the short.

this all gets very frustrating so hang with it and don't give up.

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Old 08-04-2010, 01:36 PM   #17
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2air, I just got word from the dealer service tech that neutral and ground are not supposed to be bonded together just as you said. Now, I got my work cutout for me. I am going on my inaugural trip in 2 days and want this problem fixed before that. i think the short is in my 110V outlets so I need to open them up one at a time. Hopefully, it's just a loose wire somewhere.
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i'm no electrician...

but it's not necessary to open EVERY connection to bird dog this.

first EACH breaker can be checked for the ground fault.

then only STUFF on the OFFENDING breaker need be explored

with regard to fixtures, outlets, appliances and junctions/connections.
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depending on WHICH BREAKER has the short, this may not take a lot of checking...

it's important to UNPLUG all 115/ac appliances BEFORE exploring too...

for example a tv, the microwave, the charger/converter or even the fridge could be the source of the ground fault.
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ok please don't rely on my posting for guidance...

use some1 with LEGIT juice mastery for this process.

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Old 08-04-2010, 08:40 PM   #19
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and don't RUN the gensets on ECO if hooked up in parallel.

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Quick question, 2Air... is this advice (in post #9) specific to this particular situation/discussion ... or a general statement when running 2 generators in parallel... just wondering...if it's the latter, what's the reason? Thx...TB
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Quick question, 2Air... is this advice (in post #9) specific to this particular situation/discussion ... or a general statement when running 2 generators in parallel... just wondering...if it's the latter, what's the reason? Thx...TB
it was specific to trouble shooting the problem

and the voltage/output CHANGING that goes with eco might add 2 the odd behavior.
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IF 2 are needed for a/c use eco isn't a great idea either.

i seem to recall the owner's manual suggesting NOT to use eco when paralleled...

but could just be imagining that reference so check da' book or honda faqs...

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it was specific to trouble shooting the problem

and the voltage/output CHANGING that goes with eco might add 2 the odd behavior.
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IF 2 are needed for a/c use eco isn't a great idea either.

i seem to recall the owner's manual suggesting NOT to use eco when paralleled...

but could just be imagining that reference so check da' book or honda faqs...

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Thanks for the clarification, 2Air...appreciated... TB
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TBRich to find a neutral to ground short you have to physically disconnect the white wires from each circuit in turn until the fault goes away. Better to use an ohmmeter than actual shore power for this process for safety. Just tripping the breakers only disconnects the hots and won't help isolate it.

They can be a nuisance to find but if you are methodical about it you shouldn't have any trouble.

Again be sure you have all power sources disconnected and locked out before you start.
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