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Old 06-10-2018, 05:09 AM   #21
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That text states the neutral and ground are NOT bonded, as is expected to occur external of the TT. I know my hardwired EMS will not enable trailer power if their is a floating neutral. I guess it is up to everyone that doesn’t have an EMS to decide if they see a floating neutral as a hazard or not...I’ll pick bonded neutral to ground as that is a proper electrical system.

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Old 06-10-2018, 05:26 AM   #22
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From the No Shock Zone Mike demonstrates a neutral bonding plug.
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Old 06-20-2018, 04:01 PM   #23
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Hi Henry,

Do you know if it will fit on top of the battery box between the trailer and propane box?

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Somebody asked about output at altitude using propane. I have a Honda 2000 (not 2200) propane converted using genconnex.

At 5,500 feet the 2,200 maxes out at 13.1A output at 117v on propane. You ask for more and voltage really drops off and thats that.

My 15k Penguin needs 15A to run (I have easystarts on both ACs).

So no go with a stand alone 2000 out of the box with propane at altitude. I think you might be challenged to squeeze another 2A out of the 2200 on propane at 5,500 feet. Certainly not at 8,000 ft.

Fortunately, for my setup, no big deal, I have a hybrid inverter so I supplement the 13A from the genset with 2A from the batts and away we go. I can run the AC directly / solely off batts if I need to, but nice to also have the genset so as not to deplete them too much.
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Hi Henry,

Do you know if it will fit on top of the battery box between the trailer and propane box?

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Yes, it fits easily. (See photos.) But it would require a tie-down, and it blocks battery and storage compartment access. This might be a good place for a gasoline generator, but since ours is propane-converted, we just stick it in the back of our Durango. (I just put it here for the photos.)

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Thanks Henry. Great photos. I think you've sold me on getting the propane conversion like yours, with the low pressure propane supply hookup just inches away... No need for two types of fuel. Very convenient.
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:37 PM   #27
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Easy Start - What is it?

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My old Honda 2000i runs my 15k but A/C with Easystart. Some say it won't at altitude, but a 2200 ought to be just fine, IMO.

Easystart ought to be in every A/C!



I have a 2014 25 ft Twin Bed Flying Cloud. I'd like to run the AC on a generator and I'm having trouble understanding all these forum conversations. What exactly is the "Easy Start"? Is is a replacement starting capacitor?


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There are numerous mentions and even install pictures if you search easy start or Micro air on these forums. or www.microair.net

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Old 07-22-2018, 11:36 AM   #29
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I was one of the unfortunate few who was unable to run a 15K AC with the Easystart conversion, at 2500', on either of my Honda 2000 generators (one tested with gas, the other propane and gas). This is all documented in an another thread on the Easystart conversion.

So... I recently sold one of my Honda 2000 generators and bought the new Honda 2200. Success!! It started and kept the 15K AC running for around 45 minutes (I shut it off) at 2500' elevation and 93 deg temp. The 2200 is gasoline only at this time, and I haven't decided whether or not to do a propane conversion. But I'm very happy that I can take only one small generator for the few times I use AC (or the generator for that matter).
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Old 07-30-2018, 03:48 PM   #30
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FYI a new thread on the GenConneX propane 2200:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f448...ne-184963.html
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For those who own the 2200. FYI.

[URL="https://powerequipment.honda.com/support/recalls-and-updates"]

American Honda is recalling about 200,000 portable generators that can leak gasoline from the fuel valve, posing a fire and burn hazard. The Consumer Product Safety Commission says Honda has received 19 reports of fuel leaks involving EU2200i and EB2200i portable generators.
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:06 PM   #32
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How long do you run the 2200i to charge batteries?

I have a 2019 23' FC with 3 solar panels installed and 2 Lithium batteries. I had been running well until the past couple of weeks where I have been boondocking for consecutive days and parked in shadier campsites. In the past week, my trailer shuts down. Sometimes I can get it back up and running if I plug in a 30amp which ran from a friend's garage.

But now I'm no longer parked at my friend's house, and I can't get it to come on at all. I bought a Honda 2200 generator yesterday - ran it for 3 hours and nothing. I ran it another 3 hours today and nothing. That was with a 30amp adaptor.

So... am I just being impatient? Should I let the generator run all day(s)?

Or... are my batteries pooped out?

Or... some other option?

Attached are photos. Equipment info & I did confirm the following:
- the generator works; I used it to power up a portable lithium (Yeti) battery where it read a 59amp input
- I've got Zamp solar panels and monitor (reads B01 error message)
- confirmed the red light is on the power cord feeding the trailer (so receiving a charge)
- 2 - Expion360 Lithium batteries have been working fine for the past 3 months; connection seem okay, but I have no idea
- I didn't disconnect the battery remotely, but it automatically did that when I ran out of juice. In the past, it has automatically started back up after plugging into my friend's garage power source.

Help!
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What charge controller are you running? It sounds to me like the problem is there.
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Old 08-29-2019, 10:50 PM   #34
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B01 error on that zamp controller means it sees no voltage from the batteries - IE they are mechanically disconnected from the system or if they are lithium they are dead to the point where not even the BMS is awake and the internal circuit has been disconnected.

Assuming that solar controller is directly wired to the batteries, It would appear that you have run your batteries down (depleted them) to the lower voltage threshold, and the battery management system (BMS) inside the batteries cut off the circuit to protect them from being permanently destroyed by low voltage.

Normally you can just throw a charge on within a few hours or day or two and they’ll come back to life. But sounds like that is not working for you.

If you have let them sit for an extended period of time after they hit the low voltage BMS cutoff threshold, the batteries will continue to self discharge (at a very slow pace albeit) until there is nothing left, voltage drops too low (<9.5v) and the BMS cannot function / wake up, and potentially worst cast which is permanent and irreversible lithium cell damage.

You may be able to recover them however if this is the case.... you will need to put a very very small charge on them at the appropriate voltage (~13.6v I believe but call the manufacturer) - maybe 1 or max 2 amps DC... and trickle charge for several (or many) hours to slowly deliver energy back into the cells to reach a voltage that will allow the BMS to light back up and start working again. Once the BMS is alive again, further trickle charging will be required so as not to damage the cells... after a few more hours (or day) you can put a real charge on them again but I wouldn’t go more than 0.25 C personally to bring them back up to 100%.

If you don’t have one you must must must must have a manual disconnect for those lithiums. If you leave them hooked up to your trailer, even with the battery disconnect engaged, the LP detector will still be connected and will slowly draw them down..... to the point of BMS cut off... then if left unattended for a longer period of time self-discharge will permanently and irreversible damage the lithium cells at which point there is no returning to life.

Lithium’s that are advertised as “drop in” are not really “drop in”... you still need to know what you are working with as they have very different characteristics as compared to lead acid. You can crash and zero out a lead acid battery and it will recover... it may not hold the same charge again but it will be usable. Not so for lithium. You should not make it a habit to deplete them to the point where the BMS intervenes for a low voltage condition....

Anyhoo - search the forum for posts from troutboy... he took $6k worth of victron batteries almost to the point of no return but was able to recover them.

Just my $0.02 on what might be going on but would need more detailed information to further diagnose. For example if you pull the batteries from the trailer (disconnected everything) and put a volt meter on the terminals what voltage reading do you get?
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More details on zamp error code. Note the condition that if voltage is <10v this error will be generated. No bueno...

https://www.zampsolar.com/charge-con...roubleshooting
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Thanks wulfraat.

Is there a lithium battery or solar charging thread where this discussion would be helpful? Seems like important info, but maybe not generally seen here in a Honda 2200 thread.

We are always thinking about upgrading to solar/lithium, so this info is very much appreciated.

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Thanks wulfraat.

Is there a lithium battery or solar charging thread where this discussion would be helpful? Seems like important info, but maybe not generally seen here in a Honda 2200 thread.

We are always thinking about upgrading to solar/lithium, so this info is very much appreciated.

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There are a few good ones out there - maybe a moderator can re-locate this for us?
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Back to the Honda/Easy start thread,

I have a Penguin 2 15k AC with easy start. I currently have the 2800/3100 Champion generator but someone is coming over to buy it today (too heavy).

My question is, you people who are running a 15k AC with easy start and a single Honda 2200, do you shut off your converter (I assume using the cb) and anything else,to get the AC to run?

I ask because when I run the converter and the AC using a 15amp house socket it only runs for a few minutes before tripping the 15amp breaker.

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There were several threads recently where people said, yes, they turn off the charger because that is just enough to push the 2000 over the edge. I think the reports from the 2200 were better. As for the converter, I cannot believe there would be enough DC loads to put much of an AC demand on the converter. Nevertheless, many report it works just fine, at least at low altitudes, if you manage other AC loads.
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Let’s say the converter/charger is recharging batteries at a rate of 30 amps when you fire up the AC. That’s 360 watts which is a pretty good chunk from the generator’s available output. Could be more or less obviously but my best practice is to shut down the converter.
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