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Old 10-01-2004, 12:35 PM   #15
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FWIW, I know of no one who's measured the the sounds of one EU3000 and two EU2000s PRODUCING THE SAME POWER, side by side. All we know from the Honda specs is that two EU2000s producing a greater 3200W rated are louder than the EU3000 producing only 2800W rated.

At the 15A (1800W) my 13,500 btu unit is supposed to draw running (fan on high), the dual 2000s are running at 45% of their max capacity, while the EU3000 is running at 60% of its max capacity.

To my knowledge, no one here really knows what that means in terms of sound pressure level in decibels and those commenting on it here are only guessing. Personally, I can only guess the difference would be undetectable by normal human hearing, but it is likely, on Eco-Throttle, the two EU2000s at 45% are running at a lower rpm, generating a lower frequency sound than the EU3000 running at 60%.

Honda only rates a single EU2000 to run at 1600-2000 watts for 30 minutes continously. Turning the thermostat down to keep the AC compressor running continuously will result in run times far in excess of that. You can buy two EU2000s now, or you can run one and probably replace it twice as often.

I've run the AC and 1500W microwave together, both on shore power and generators, without tripping the main breaker, or overloading the generators. But perhaps I've never had an instance where the compressor and magnetron both started at exactly the same time.
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Old 10-01-2004, 01:40 PM   #16
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Still blows main circuit breaker if you run AC/HP and microwave/convection together. I does that on shore power too.

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We installed an Electronic Monitoring System (EMS) in our trailer. The EMS monitors the volts, amps, among other things at the pole. We have learned that when the ac, fridge on ac, and the microwave are on, we draw more than 30 amps into the unit. We then blow the main circuit. If you turn the fridge to gas, and leave the hot water on gas, the circuit will not blow with the microwave and ac.

Having an EMS has helped us learn some of the mysteries in the ac system of our trailer. It is also the reason I purchased an autoformer for the unit. We found severely low voltage in some western parks during ac season.
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Old 10-04-2004, 08:03 AM   #17
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thanks all!

Thanks to all who replied! I am glad to hear that you all were mixed on the reasons why each one had different systems.



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Old 10-04-2004, 05:21 PM   #18
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Abe,

Congrats on deciding on the EU-3000. It will be adequate for RVing and home use.
I bought locally. However, I did my homework. I got the best price off the Internet from Alamia.com for the generator and Maberrys for the wheel kit. I don't think Honda allows publishing prices in the Internet anymore. But you can probably e-mail them for a written quote. I printed the prices and marched into my local dealer and asked him to match these prices. He didn't hesitate. I saved about $200, even though I had to pay State Sales Tax and they even prepped and load tested it. Ready to Go!
I preferred this for 2 reasons:
It helps the local merchants and I was afraid of getting a damaged generator shipped to me and having to fight the freight company with a claim.

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Old 10-04-2004, 11:06 PM   #19
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EU3000 experience

Abe,

I have an EU3000 that I purchased in the summer of 2000 from Palco Generators, in Norvelt, PA near Pittsburgh (www.palcogenerators.com). They also have a location in Winfield, WV. They beat the best price I could find on the internet, are very knowledgeable and they handle only generators, having been in business for over 30 years.

I modified mine to have a remote electric start and choke, a runtime meter, and made it dual-fuel capable by adding a low-pressure propane vacuum regulator and carburetor. It is mounted on the tongue of my Bambi in a stainless steel enclosure (see www.mswartz.com) and has over 600 hours on it.

When I've had power outages at home the EU3000 powers the critical loads in my home through a transfer switch and is fueled from the outside propane tank.

I am very pleased with the EU3000 and would highly recommend it to others. And I found the people at Palco very helpful with service on a Yamaha genset I had. The EU3000 hasn't had any need for service so far.
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Old 10-05-2004, 10:43 AM   #20
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I'm impressed. I thought you could get propane models of the 2000 and 3000 but haven't been able to located any. I like the forward mounted genset running on propane format. Very nice work.
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I'm impressed. I thought you could get propane models of the 2000 and 3000 but haven't been able to located any. I like the forward mounted genset running on propane format. Very nice work.
Impressed? I'm not impressed. . . . . I'm totally BLOWN AWAY! The design, fabrication and attention to detail are INCREDIBLE! What a great job.
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What would be the down side of a harmoney 2500 w 20.8 amp 76lb 76db much cheaper than the EU series ? Will Ackerman
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Old 10-05-2004, 11:51 AM   #23
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What would be the down side of a harmoney 2500 w 20.8 amp 76lb 76db much cheaper than the EU series ? Will Ackerman
Cannot find info on Harmoney/Harmony 2500, but the noise level is four times higher than the advertized noise level for the Honda.
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Old 10-05-2004, 05:21 PM   #24
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I'm running a pair of Honda 2000i's and my only complaint is the small fuel tank. Other than that, they are terrific little generators! I didn't know that they had a propane option for the 2000i. It sure would be nice to have at least one of the generators mounted on the trailer for "carefree" overnight stops! I could mount both of them on either side of the hitch - and the only thing I would lose is my shorter turning radius! The GMC dually could care less!
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Old 10-05-2004, 09:45 PM   #25
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Here ya go! Kits are around $100. Once it is converted to propane, you cannot go back to gas on a EU2000i, unless you replace the carb. I think I am going to convert mine, as it is a real pain to refuel, especially during a power outage at 11PM. With a 30# propane tank, you get over 7 gallons, so that would equate to over 50 hours of runtime on a tank in Eco Throttle mode.
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Old 10-05-2004, 09:57 PM   #26
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Here is the company that Marshall used in post #19 above. Somehow, he figured out (see his website) how to make his generator run on either propane or gasoline. http://www.carbturbo.com/
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Old 12-08-2004, 02:18 PM   #27
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2 x Honda EU20001

Thanks for all the imput on the Honda's.

I took your advice and ordered 2 of the EU2000's. Mayberry Sales and Service was great, free shipping (via Fedx) and their price was 20% less than my local Honda dealer. The way I look at it I got the parallel box for free.
My choice came down to storage. I felt that we would only need both generators during A/C season. So thanks for all the imput! Once again Airstreamforums to the rescue!!!

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Excellent thread!!!

This is one I have been "pondering" for quite a spell. We "boondock" ( by boondock I mean more than 50-80 miles from the nearest doctor, muchless a hospital ) more than use full hook-up campgronds. Our 62 Overlander LY was easy, 1 EU2000. Our newest addition however , a 76 Globetrotter LY with AC has led me on a new path. Looks like duals will be the HAPPY medium for both applications. Again, EXCELLENT thread!!!


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