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Old 02-25-2017, 08:50 AM   #1
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Goal Zero 1000 Lithium Costco

Was at Costco this week and saw the new Goal Zero 1000 Lithium. 42 lbs and much smaller than their previous offerings. Says it's rated for 1500 watts/3000 watts surge. $999.

Wondering if this could serve as a replacement for my Yamaha 2000 gas generator.

Would like the silence and no gas features of the lithium over the gas.

Can I plug into this unit with my shore power cord and run a solar panel from the unit?

Thoughts?
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Old 02-25-2017, 09:12 AM   #2
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I did not see the price, but their older technology unit costs substantially more. There were not any specs, either, but based on their calculator it looks like it is a battery, inverter, with charging options and about 8 amp-hour capacity. That is not a lot of capacity for the money. A Honda or Yamaha has so much more versatility for real boondocking. I would consider this thing a toy.
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Old 02-25-2017, 10:13 AM   #3
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I am not a fan of lithium batteries YET because of the fire hazard.
Do a web search they have brought down aircraft (UPS) taken out trucks hauling them and unknown number of cell phones,electronic cigarettes and computer fires from them.
I am not ready to risk my life in my trailer using one.
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I have had one cell phone and a flashlight with lithiums self destruct. Think I will wait a while before trying to justify the exorbitant cost.
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I have been told that I should point out that we had problems with Nicad batteries in aircraft when we started using them back in the 1960's.We called them thermo runaways. they got hot and failed but not on fire.The answer back then add a light that tell us when it got hot and better maintenance practices. Now we use them in aircraft with very few problems.There still is a fire hazard from the smaller rechargeable ones used in things like outdoor lights.
Remember the Boeing 787 Dreamliners had problems with the Lithium batteries.
Just a note many of the Lithium batteries come from the same country that the air bags in are cars that failed came from.
I guess if we give it time the Lithium and Nicad battery problem will work it's self out.
BUT till then $$$ for $$$ in my opinion the lead acid battery is still safest and best over all buy for what you get.
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Old 02-25-2017, 12:49 PM   #6
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Like Larry said, this thing only has 8 AH and he's being generous. If I use their calculator with a space heater, you're only getting the equivalent of 6 AH of capacity at 120 V. Yes, generators are somewhat noisy, but one tank of fuel gives you 20x the capacity. And when it runs out, it only takes a minute to refuel.

If the goal zero 1000 is similar to the 1250 unit, then yes you can add solar panels to charge it back up. According to the 1250 unit it takes 40 hours to recharge it, so the goal zero 1000 would take 32 hours instead.

This thing also weights almost the same as a 2 KW generator too.
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I am not a fan of lithium batteries YET because of the fire hazard.
Do a web search they have brought down aircraft (UPS) taken out trucks hauling them and unknown number of cell phones,electronic cigarettes and computer fires from them.
I am not ready to risk my life in my trailer using one.
Neither are any of my clients (or the hundreds of AM Solar's clients) ready to risk their life and limb to a potential fire hazard. You have a far greater probability of having a fire from your ammonia /absorption fridge than a quality modern lithium cell.

If you follow the most recent formulations of lithium batteries (LiFePo-4), you will NOT find any instances of fire or overheating own RV use. The lithium iron phosphate formulation being used in Victron's lithium batteries are of a much lower energy density and completely different composition than the lithium cobalt batteries that have experienced thermal runaway and combustion.

You are comparing apples to cow dung!

All lithium batteries are NOT the same simply because they all have 'lithium' in their name.
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Thanks for all the comments.

FYI.
Battery says it's 1045 Wh capacity and 96.8Ah @ 10.8V.
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Neither are any of my clients (or the hundreds of AM Solar's clients) ready to risk their life and limb to a potential fire hazard. You have a far greater probability of having a fire from your ammonia /absorption fridge than a quality modern lithium cell.

If you follow the most recent formulations of lithium batteries (LiFePo-4), you will NOT find any instances of fire or overheating own RV use. The lithium iron phosphate formulation being used in Victron's lithium batteries are of a much lower energy density and completely different composition than the lithium cobalt batteries that have experienced thermal runaway and combustion.

You are comparing apples to cow dung!

All lithium batteries are NOT the same simply because they all have 'lithium' in their name.
I know nothing about solar batteries.
I am a AMT and do know aircraft and the Lithium-ion batteries fist used in the Boeing 787 Dreamliner where cow dung.
Photo of Lithium-ion battery JAL 787 in Boston after it suffered thermal runaway
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...he-dreamliner/
Read this see how fast the UPS crew died in this B-747 from a cargo of lithium batteries that caught on fire . http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...thium/2582213/
I do think things will get better after what has gone wrong with the lithium batteries but I use as few as possible and do not leave them on charger when I sleep.
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Thanks for all the comments.

FYI.
Battery says it's 1045 Wh capacity and 96.8Ah @ 10.8V.
That's true. But you're using the system at 120 V, so the effective amp-hours at 120 V is 6-8 amp-hours.
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Here is a great NOVA show on batteries. Those that blow up, and those that don't. Very interesting show about current batteries, and batteries of the future.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/super-battery.html
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very good pbs show

This PBS show is a MUST watch

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Here is a great NOVA show on batteries. Those that blow up, and those that don't. Very interesting show about current batteries, and batteries of the future.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/super-battery.html
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This PBS show is a MUST watch


Agree. Super interesting AND I had no idea I had been treading so close to incineration all this time.
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Was at Costco this week and saw the new Goal Zero 1000 Lithium. 42 lbs and much smaller than their previous offerings. Says it's rated for 1500 watts/3000 watts surge. $999.

Wondering if this could serve as a replacement for my Yamaha 2000 gas generator.

Would like the silence and no gas features of the lithium over the gas.

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I just bought one of these. Im going to try exactly what you just asked this weekend. my bet is you can so long as your fridge is not a watt hog or you run it on propane at night. Im looking at getting a 165 watt solar panel.
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