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Old 03-16-2011, 06:01 PM   #15
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YOU GUYS ARE GOOD!!!!!!

I thought I knew a little about electricity, but I have been "schooled" well. I did not know the difference btwn a floating ground and a bonded ground till now. I found this comment on another site:

The question was about the need to "bond" the ground on a 2k gen set..and the answer was a resounding no----for these reasons:


"The reason it shows an open ground is because the 3 lamp testers use the ground/neutral bond at the service entrance to indicate that the ground is good. Most portable inverter 120v generators do not bond the neutral (code does not require it) so the tester indicates a problem that doesn't exist. The generator's receptacle ground terminal is attached to the frame of the generator so it still protects you from a failure within the generator that causes a fault to the case.

Some individuals have made adapters that bond the neutral (wide blade) to the ground so that their testers work or, more often, so their autoformer doesn't shut down the power because it detects an open ground, but this is not necessary for safety."

Thanks to all who responded to my question.....I'll buy the next round!!!! Zigi
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Old 04-18-2011, 06:42 PM   #16
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Was walking through the Home Depot today and noticed Ryobi now has a 2000w generator priced at $599. I tried to find out what the noise level was but had no luck. Here is a link.

YouTube - New Ryobi 2000 Watt Portable Inverter Generator
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:04 PM   #17
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Quieter the better, some of those units are flat-out obnoxious.
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Old 04-18-2011, 08:18 PM   #18
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Ryobi 2000 Watt Inverter Generator - RYi2000T at The Home Depot

This link says 59dB. Who's gonna be the Guinea Pig on this one?
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Old 04-18-2011, 09:23 PM   #19
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Why buy a 2,000? It isn't enough to do more than charge the batteries and a 1,000 does this just fine for much less weight, lower fuel consumption, smaller storage space.

I wouldn't consider altering my Yamaha inverter generator's engineered design or safety features internally or externally. It is flirting with disaster to mess with good engineered designs on any listed assembly.

I cannot find it just now, but B Leipper did a superb job assessing the "need" and risks of altering the ground on portable generators. I'm pretty sure it is on this air forums. Here is a related post of his explaining well why not bond neutral and ground: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...tml#post557206
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:00 PM   #20
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Why buy a 2,000? It isn't enough to do more than charge the batteries and a 1,000 does this just fine for much less weight, lower fuel consumption, smaller storage space.

I wouldn't consider altering my Yamaha inverter generator's engineered design or safety features internally or externally. It is flirting with disaster to mess with good engineered designs on any listed assembly.

I cannot find it just now, but B Leipper did a superb job assessing the "need" and risks of altering the ground on portable generators. I'm pretty sure it is on this air forums. Here is a related post of his explaining well why not bond neutral and ground: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f37/...tml#post557206
Well, I'd prefer to use my 3 stage converter to charge the batteries and it draws 900 watts. Which 1000w gen are you suggesting and is it 1000w rated continuous or 800 watts/1000w?
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Our Yamaha 1000 inverter is rated continuous 1,000w, and our converter is Intellipower 60, rated at 900 watts input. We cannot start the genset unless the refrigerator is manually on gas, the sum of converter initial load plus the fridge 110vac element is too much. As soon as the generator spools up and runs smoothly, two minutes or so, we put the fridge back on electric without problem. If the fridge is on automatic and senses the generator, it tries to switch quickly to ac power, adding something like 200 watts more to the generator.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:57 PM   #22
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According to the HD info, the Ryobi is 10 pounds heavier than the Honda.

Both are rated at 59 DB.
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According to the HD info, the Ryobi is 10 pounds heavier than the Honda.

Both are rated at 59 DB.
I'd heave 10 extra lb into the back of the truck to save $400.
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I'd check how easily you can have it worked on under warranty (and out of warranty) if it became necessary. You can have a Honda serviced almost anywhere...and Hondas are well-proven and tested products. Also, can you parallel a set if you chose to? We have 2 Honda 2000s and swear by them. If you shop you can get a good price. We just got the 2nd one this month for $879 (I can give details if you want). Weight-wise...add another 8 or so lbs for a gallon of fuel and it adds up quickly.
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@TBRich: Actually, when I think about it a bit longer, I'd probably get the 2400 watt inverter Yamaha, because that single genset will run the AC on my Argosy... and for half the year, it's a LONG way from here to anywhere I'd like to be without AC. At least you can get up to the high desert where it cools down at night. Eureka Springs averages about 6F cooler than Fort Worth in August, for example, but I'll still be happy to have the AC.
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Actually, when I think about it a bit longer, I'd probably get the 2400 watt inverter Yamaha, because that single genset will run the AC on my Argosy...
Yup, that's what I thought and what I did. The 2400 Yamaha does just fine for my AC. Also runs on propane, which is nice.

But - if you only need to charge batteries occasionally, etc. solar panels are terrific, or a little 1,000 watt Honda or Yamaha are a lot lighter and easier on backs to tote around.

Since installing solar, I haven't used the generator "in anger" except to run the AC. On a hot night in the South, that can be a blessing.
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I went with the Yamaha 2400 hc for the same reason. We wanted to boondock and in Kansas it gets pretty hot in the summer. Also when camping under trees the solar panel doesn't get enough sun to top off the batteries. It's also VERY quiet.
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1000 watt won't run my wife's hair dryer. Enough said.
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