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Old 09-12-2013, 10:12 PM   #15
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Now in defense of this Airstreamer, he has made some major structural modifications underneath. Time will tell if they are adequate.
TouringDan -- thanks for the post and unfortunately this is only a snapshot in time. Sadly, to make this work one would need to double or triple the vertical cross section of a beam.

Ever been in an old San Francisco building with the engineered diagonal earthquake resistant cross-bracing added? I'd really need to see detailed pics of how the Springfest guy went above the floor and created such a rigid structure. Just sistering I-beams or adding plate reinforcement doesn't convince me until I know more.

A good way to think about moment arms -- take a Funk & Wagnall's dictionary (these days a laptop) and hold it in your palm at arm's length. Stay that way for 10 minutes. Now go over a ratty road seam (or jump up and down). How do your arms feel? A moment arm multiplies force and is the identical effect to using a crowbar. Archimedes said, "Give me a lever and I will move the whole world."


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And thus will rear end separation and frame failure show it's face a late four, six or eight years after the mighty bumper storage has been installed.
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Old 09-12-2013, 10:17 PM   #16
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While I understand your wish to keep your pups cool (we also have 2 dogs to take into consideration), we personally we would never leave our generators running while we are not at the campsite. For two reasons: (1) Should one or both of your generators quit for some reason you would not be there to deal with it... and (2) the generators may very well not be there when you return... We put our generators away our of sight when we are not using them.

If it's raining we leave them in the bed of the truck with the tonneau top down and the tail gate open to keep them dry, yet provide plenty of air flow for operation.

If it's not that hot out you should be able to provide sufficient air movement and fresh air ventilation for the pups using your fantastic vent (you probably have two in a 27') and windows without needing the AC.
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:43 PM   #17
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Wow, thanks for all the advice, I really appreciate it. You've convinced me that it's not a smart idea, though I must admit I love that photo with the loaded up bumper! Quite a bit to learn and lots to do to get everything set up so I have a feeling I'll be spending a fair amount of time here!
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Old 09-13-2013, 06:47 AM   #18
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I have a slide out inside the bed of my pickup with a fiberglass cap. My Honda 3000 sits on the tail end of the slide out. When I need AC power I open the cap and tailgate, pull out the slide out just to the end of the tailgate and run the generator in place. No lifting or struggling. If there is a sudden rainstorm I can quickly shut down, unplug and slide the generator in and close things up until it passes. Bad idea to leave the generator running at a campsite with no supervision. The slide out also gives me easy access to the rest of my camping gear as it is the full length of the truck bed and will support the generator fully extended. It is the best solution that I have found for my needs.
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I like Joe's idea.

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I have a slide out inside the bed of my pickup with a fiberglass cap. My Honda 3000 sits on the tail end of the slide out. When I need AC power I open the cap and tailgate, pull out the slide out just to the end of the tailgate and run the generator in place. No lifting or struggling. If there is a sudden rainstorm I can quickly shut down, unplug and slide the generator in and close things up until it passes. Bad idea to leave the generator running at a campsite with no supervision. The slide out also gives me easy access to the rest of my camping gear as it is the full length of the truck bed and will support the generator fully extended. It is the best solution that I have found for my needs.
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Old 09-13-2013, 09:00 AM   #20
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The photo was taken at the Springfest music festival in Live Oak Florida earlier last spring.

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Old 09-13-2013, 10:57 AM   #21
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I've never had a problem running the gen. on the tailgate. In this position it is pretty well protected from rain.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:08 AM   #22
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Hey, how bout mounting on the roof? 2 45 lb generators can't weigh more than my heatpump. Run a line down the side, electric start up.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:12 AM   #23
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If you get a chance to post any pictures of your truck slideout setup we would love to see it as that is likely a route we will go. No hurry it will be a while for us.
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Hey, how bout mounting on the roof? 2 45 lb generators can't weigh more than my heatpump. Run a line down the side, electric start up.
Good luck refilling the generator's fuel tank, though…

Also, do you intend to remove the heat pump to install the generators? "can't weigh more than my heat pump" is no guarantee the roof will support the weight of the generators AND the heat pump.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:24 AM   #25
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Before anybody complains again about Airstreams being unique about not liking items added to the rear bumper area, almost every new SOB comes with a warning not to add anything to their back bumpers as well. If you do, it will void the chassis warranty.
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:03 PM   #26
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Good luck refilling the generator's fuel tank, though…

Also, do you intend to remove the heat pump to install the generators? "can't weigh more than my heat pump" is no guarantee the roof will support the weight of the generators AND the heat pump.
Nah, they come with fuel lines for reserve tanks. You could mount a reserve gas tank in the frame, and modify a fresh water fill.... you know, I was joking about the whole deal, but now I'm kind of thinking about the gas tank. What would be the problem of mounting a 4" deep stainless tank in the frame and filling that up with gas when you pull through the service station? You then somehow create a fitting so you can add the supply line for one of these small generators instead of carrying a separate supply line. A good size is similar to that which VTS carrys - 16 gallons. More than enough for the weekend, and you don't need to carry around a separate tank. Just add a vintage water fill on the side, but clearly mark it for gas (boy that'd be a disaster)

As far as mounting on the roof, that's a joke. The vibration could be awful. I was just suggesting you could build an aluminum frame that included 2 ribs and set them up there out of the way. (some people have made luggage racks with that method) You could even hide 2 of them inside one of the old style AC shrouds. Not getting rid of an AC, but I have seen some PO install AC's in the back vent opening. NOT the right way to do it, but hey, if it's already been done...

I'm looking at my trailer at other options. I have a few access doors on my trailer. I plan on converting one of those so that it looks original, but when you open it, it's an outdoor shower.

These gensets are so small, it seems you could put them on slides. Build a box inside the trailer, then a drawer slide so that when you park, you open a side hatch, then slide the generator out on that. The box inside the trailer provides the sound break, but the generator is outside.

In my trailer, I removed my battery from the rear storage compartment, then set it under the bunk so that it was opposite the freshwater compartment, thereby moving the weight to just over the axles like the water was. Now I have the rear compartment free. I could possibly put one there for storage, but wouldn't want it to actually run in the camper.

The only other really cool option is to mount them under a bunk like they are in motor homes. Since you'll be running AC Power, you'd want to create active venting, through the floor if possible. That would hide everything inside (oh and include that gas tank between the rails).

Dang, now I'm going to be up all night thinking through the possibilities....

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I've never had a problem running the gen. on the tailgate. In this position it is pretty well protected from rain.
I like Tim's slideout idea- no weight penalty and no cost.

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The only other really cool option is to mount them under a bunk like they are in motor homes. Since you'll be running AC Power, you'd want to create active venting, through the floor if possible. That would hide everything inside (oh and include that gas tank between the rails).
My Interstate has a 2.5kW Onan propane generator under the rear sofa/bed. Which is fine because I'd never be running the generator at night while I'm sleeping anyway.

Here's a (tongue-in-cheek) idea… Mount a generator under a built-in recliner. Then if it vibrates while running, call it a massage chair!
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