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Old 04-10-2007, 04:48 PM   #15
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Have you tested that by placing a new type motorcycle battery on a concrete floor for a few days?
I kept my motorcycle battery on a concrete floor in my garage from January 18th of this year, until April 5th of this year. The motorcycle started up with no problem when it was reinstalled.
I also kept an auto battery on the concrete floor of my garage from November 24th of 2006 until April 5th of this year, and my truck started with that one with no problem also.
I kept a deep cycle battery on the concrete floor of my garage from July of 2006 until January 12th of this year, and installed it in our Airstream. It has functioned as intended as well.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:52 PM   #16
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Thanks Terry, sounds unanimous. Thats been my experience as well.
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Old 04-10-2007, 04:57 PM   #17
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Starts fine with the recoil starter.
My Yamaha 3000ie battery went dead this Winter as well but it started fine with the recoil starter too. Pulls nice and easy and fires right up. Reading the Owners Manual I find that it takes special charging equipment for the Yamaha batteries. I think I'll stay with the recoil starter.
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Old 04-10-2007, 06:45 PM   #18
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Old Wives Tale!

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Please tell us you didn't have the battery stored on concrete . . .
Spiffy and others,

Please don't tell me that you still believe that old saw.............

In Tech school, we put 2 batteries on the charger during the 1st day of class. The next day, they were fully charged and we placed one on a table and the other on......CONCRETE. Both were identical.

After 10 weeks, we load tested both and guess what.........THEY WERE STILL IDENTICAL IN CHARGE CAPACITY AND VOLTAGE.

MORAL: store your battery ANYWHERE YOU WANT!!!! EVEN ON CONCRETE!

Wacnstac,

Get yourself an AGM moto battery. They far outlast the wet cells and due to their much lower internal resistance, keep their charge way longer too. I have them in both my motorcycles. One was installed in '03 and the other in '05. You'll be a happy camper if you do..........
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Old 04-10-2007, 07:14 PM   #19
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But I was raised not to do that

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I kept my motorcycle battery on a concrete floor ... and... The motorcycle started up with no problem when it was reinstalled.
I also kept an auto battery on the concrete floor ... and ... [all's well]
I kept a deep cycle battery on the concrete floor ... and ... [all's well]
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... Please don't tell me that you still believe that old saw.............
In spite of Terry's & Lew's posts, I still can't leave a battery sitting on concrete!

Both of them are right, though.

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Old 04-10-2007, 09:14 PM   #20
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Well, I guess you don't have to tip a full cup of water upside down very many times before you begin to believe that doing so will cause the cup to empty and the contents to go elsewhere.

As a young person, I was raised on a farm and got in trouble a few times for placing expensive batteries on the concrete shop floor, because every time I did, it would not work afterward. Yea, that makes you believe concrete is bad for batteries. Maybe they had oil on them, maybe something else caused them to go bad - I don't remember.

At any rate, batteries are too expensive for me to want to experiment to find out first hand.
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Old 04-10-2007, 09:27 PM   #21
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Funny, I had my Yamaha EF3000iSEB delivered April a year ago and it just turned over 113 hrs. last weekend. I put a small amount of fresh gas in the tank, open the fuel shutoff, start it every month and let it run for 20-30 minutes each time. My battery is as strong as it was when I bought the generator in '06. I have not left it on my BatteryMinder at any time nor has it been removed from the generator. Have you tested the charging line to the battery to determine if it is giving the battery a charge at all?
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Old 04-10-2007, 11:21 PM   #22
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Your trickle charger went overbroad? Was the battery full of water when you started? Cheap battery = Wal-Mart? It should last longer than that.
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Old wives tale. This was true when you had rubber cased batteries. not Palstic.
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Old 04-11-2007, 01:33 AM   #24
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Wacnstac, others have commented on cheap replacfements so I won't address that but I do want to comment on the use of a trickle charger.

The first comment is that a trickle charger for a full size battery like your car is way more than needed to maintain a small battery like we have in our Honda EC3000i generators. a trickle charger is good for a short term slow charge for a battery but long term, say over a week or so, will overcharge the battery causing it to dry out and damage the plates. If you watch them continuously and add distilled water on a regular basis before the top of the plates in each cell are exposed you may get away with it but on a small battery you are likely to damage the plates. It would be better to have it trickle charge for 3 or 4 days a month and then take it off or use a timer so that it only trickle charges for an hour a day.

Another solution that doesn't require watching as much is to buy a cheap charger that has a float circuit rather than a trickle charge. There are two typpes and how sophisticated they are depends upon hhow much you spend. ONe type, like I bought at Wal-Mart for my Dad's trailer and lawn tractor batteries will bring the battery up to somewhere between 13.5 and 14 volts and then shut off and not resume charging until the voltage drops below 13 volts. The better type will monitor temperature and maintain the battery at a constant voltage somewhere between 13.2 and 14 volts so that it doesn't overcharge the battery and gas off water vapor. Even with float chargeers you sould check the water level in the battery every month.

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I took my generator battery out of my Honda 3000i generator at the beginning of this winter and kept it down my warm basement on trickle charge most of the winter. The battery is 1 1/2 years old. I put it in the generator fully charged this weekend and it wouldn't even turn the gen over. Is this the typical life of a generator/motorcycle battery? Anybody have a source of cheap replacements?
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Old 04-11-2007, 07:41 AM   #25
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At any rate, batteries are too expensive for me to want to experiment to find out first hand.
The good news is you don't have to leave the battery on the floor, and if you (or someone else in the household) happen to accidentally leave a battery on the floor, it won't hurt anything.
I still do a lot of old school stuff that has been outdated, but doesn't hurt anything. For example, I still use a bit of Diet Coke on corroded battery terminals, it's very effective, and I don't have to keep a can of battery terminal cleaner on hand.
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Old 04-11-2007, 07:47 AM   #26
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The good news is you don't have to leave the battery on the floor, and if you (or someone else in the household) happen to accidentally leave a battery on the floor, it won't hurt anything.
I still do a lot of old school stuff that has been outdated, but doesn't hurt anything. For example, I still use a bit of Diet Coke on corroded battery terminals, it's very effective, and I don't have to keep a can of battery terminal cleaner on hand.
Hey Terry,

Trying to keep those batteries 'slim' by giving them Diet Coke?
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Old 04-11-2007, 08:24 AM   #27
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Hey Terry,

Trying to keep those batteries 'slim' by giving them Diet Coke?
No, there is a practical reason. If you use regular Coke, you may have to deal with gooey syrup after it dries, Diet Coke doesn't seem to have that problem. Also, I drink diet drinks exclusively, so that's what I have on hand.
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Old 04-11-2007, 08:54 AM   #28
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Yep, sounds like a bad battery.

I just wanted to make sure you didn't repeat my mistake with the lawn tractor.
What was the ampere of the charger you were using? I believe that Honda specifies that you only need to put it on a charger once a month for a few hours. The battery isn't that big, so, it would be easy to over charge it if not careful.

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