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Old 02-10-2010, 02:18 AM   #1
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Fuel Cells from across the pond...

...Small fuel cells that run on methanol are available in Europe for RVs...read about them here:

Mobile homes- benefits of EFOY Fuel Cell - EFOY

They don't list any North American dealers yet...but apparently they are catching on with the RV crowd in Europe...

They sound really interesting, several sizes are available, they are completely automatic, turning on when battery voltage drops to 12.3 volts to quietly recharge, emitting only small amounts water vapor and carbon dioxide...They are even much lighter than the Honda inverter gennys...

There's no prices listed...I suspect they're a bit pricey - but it would sure be neat to have one and be completely independent of the 'grid' - with a good battery bank and inverter, their larger 2200 model could handle most of one's electrical needs...

Looks like you do have to buy their ethanol 'cartridges' to run the fuel cells, I suppose fuel contamination could be critical, and using the cartridge assures a clean fuel supply that won't harm the cell materials...

The future is here - a fuel cell in every 'pot' could be just around the corner...

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Old 02-10-2010, 04:28 AM   #2
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Prices in Germany start around 2100,- Euro upto nearly 5000,- Euro depending on the size... Pretty expensive, but thow very nice... I saw them on a Caravan show some time ago and they were really cool...

Fritz Berger: Ihr Spezialist für Camping und Freizeit

sorry, its a german page, but maybe you could also search for an UK webshop...

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If you take a closer look at the specs, the 2200 is rated at 2160 watts per day, (90 watts as we know it) if you look at the chart it's charging capacity per day is 180 amp hours, enough to charge your batteries, but it won't run your AC.
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Think I'll wait awhile................. $3000 to $7000
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Old 02-10-2010, 08:20 AM   #5
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I saw a great potential...still do...for fuel cells. PLUG power here in the US looked great...Wrong! Their fuel cell units ran an entire home. Their small units were picked by BMW for trials in the auto fleet. Nothing yet! Maybe in the future...I hope.
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Very interesting info. Very pricey but I can see the future....Tim
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EFOY available in USA

I have been doing some research on these fuel cells and have found a distributor in the USA in the marine supply segment, US Marine Products in MA. Here is a link to the EFOY fuel cells which range in price from $3042 - $7246. Not cheap, but a very interesting power source solution. Here is a link USMARINEPRODUCTS
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Would think a diesel genset with waste vegetable oil would be as clean and CHEAP!
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And heavier and noisier....

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Based on what?
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Based on what?

Facts please! not "Programed opinions"!
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Based on what?

Facts please! not "Programed opinions"!
Go read up and find out what a fuel cell is. You will remember it longer if you do it yourself.

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A few facts of note on this subject...

1. Fuel Cells ARE available today for commercial and personal use - see the links in the posts above!

2. These small fuel cells for RV/marine use may not be as 'powerful' as we'd like to see, and not as 'cost effective' as other available forms of power generation...but hey, that's a personal choice...we like to camp in an Airstream, not a Tent Trailer, perhaps a more 'cost effective' choice..

3. Fuel cells are, however, much lighter, much quieter, and almost completely emission free when compared with other popular RV/Marine generators, gas, diesel, propane, etc...

4. Fuel cells emit ONLY water and CO2 - just like all mammals on Earth that exhale CO2 and water vapor when they breathe!

5. We indeed do need more development on Fuel Cells for greater widespread, economical use for more of us to use...costs will come down with increased use and savings due to higher production rates, etc...

6. And finally, please recall that these smaller fuel cells are 'powered' by methanol - a product worth noting isn't composed of old compressed dinosaurs that must be pumped out of the ground! Methanol can be made of stuff we can grow in our own backyards...but better left to our big agra buddies with acres of corn...

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