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Old 03-23-2017, 01:50 PM   #61
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Another method of connection to avoid carrying a spare 20# tank or moving one from the AS is to build a high pressure propane extension hose with these parts:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...A354B2X6HYYYB7

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=AC10Z379VB228

This hose could connect directly to a propane bottle on the AS or Y adapter could be added: https://www.amazon.com/DozyAnt-Y-Spl...1BFX5GHSJF6GEZ . The above hose would connect directly to the Champion factory supplied regulator without modification.

The above "high pressure" hose eliminates the need to remove the small high pressure regulator from the large controller regulator which I believe is needed to connect to the "low pressure" AS quick disconnect. I have not attempted to remove the small regulator and connect to the AS quick disconnect, but believe it could be done with a few additional fittings such as these: https://www.amazon.com/Anderson-Meta...4VRKGF749JV0BN https://www.amazon.com/Camco-59903-P...EM2J53B4NE8Y8A https://www.amazon.com/Anderson-Meta...D6CE7409MY73XT

I am not affiliated with any parts vendor mentioned in this post. These links are just parts I am considering to hook up my personal Champion Model 100263.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:53 PM   #62
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I like the concept of the Jack Rack, but it doesn't need to be that tall for our needs. I'd cut about 3' off the pole. Then, rather than remove the hitch, I wonder if one is made to fit the stake pocket in the corner of the bed? I'll investigate!

I like this concept. Assuming you're not removing the generator except at home.
http://www.harborfreight.com/500-lb-...art-61405.html
Leave it on the cart for next time.
Sorry, update. I just noticed that the 500 pound version only raises 27" so you'd need the 1000 pound version which goes 34 1/2".
http://www.harborfreight.com/automot...art-69148.html
That would be handy for more than lifting a generator too.
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The above "high pressure" hose eliminates the need to remove the small high pressure regulator from the large controller regulator which I believe is needed to connect to the "low pressure" AS quick disconnect.
I have not tried it yet, but I have read on this forum and rv.net forum from several Champion users that they are successfully running the 3400/3500 Champions directly from the Airstream low pressure port without any additional regulator between the AS port and the generator. One person said they did have to close the propane tank shutoff valve slightly to get it to run "smoothly". I will be trying this in the next few days and will report back.
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I have not tried it yet, but I have read on this forum and rv.net forum from several Champion users that they are successfully running the 3400/3500 Champions directly from the Airstream low pressure port without any additional regulator between the AS port and the generator. One person said they did have to close the propane tank shutoff valve slightly to get it to run "smoothly". I will be trying this in the next few days and will report back.
That is the way I run it. It will not run with the AS port wide open. Once it is started, the generator will surge a bit but by slowly easing off the AS valve handle you eventually get to a nice smooth operation. Takes about 30 seconds to find the sweet spot. I have had no issues so far.
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I agree with mojoe, I am not going to add a non OEM starter to my AC units and risk damaging them and voiding warranties. I prefer to stick with manufacturers' recommendations and not take chances based on a third party seller's claims. I also purchased the Champion for all of the reasons moejoe listed plus, I can use the larger generator as backup power at my house. I will use the propane connection on my Airstream so there will not be a propane tank to carry in the bed. All in all, I feel the propane powered Champion solution is the way to go for the money. And most of the money stays in the U.S. instead of sending it all to Japan, China, Taiwan, etc...
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Roadtech, please report your results with using the quick disconnect and thanks Mojoe for describing how you adjust the fuel flow to make yours run smoothly on the quick disconnect.
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Thanks MOJO7009 understand your logic. I am not sure I agree however, with the concerns of others about using parts that are not "OEM". There are lots of threads about everything from tires to surge protectors, to better shower heads, that improve our way of life with the AS...I understand some of the concerns, and in the end, to each his own. Appreciate seeing others views. Perhaps I will end up with one of those 3400's someday if the EasyStart dose not work out.
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Maybe this was already mentioned, but for you Champion fans, there's a Champion 3500, a Camping World exclusive. 3500 starting watts, 3200 running watts. Dual fuel.
The only drawback I see is the gas tank is small IMO. 1.6 gal.
But the price is attractive at $1100 or so.

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The engine in a Champion is made in China?
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Maybe this was already mentioned, but for you Champion fans, there's a Champion 3500, a Camping World exclusive. 3500 starting watts, 3200 running watts. Dual fuel.
The only drawback I see is the gas tank is small IMO. 1.6 gal.
But the price is attractive at $1100 or so.

The engine in a Champion is made in China?
The 3500 is an exact duplicate of the 3400, just decaled for CW.

As far as I know, the whole unit is built in China, but the engine is engineered and designed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, at Champion Engine Technology Center which is the research and development arm of Champion Power Equipment. Champion's headquarters is in Santa Fe Springs, California with facilities in Jackson, Tennessee, Milwaukee, and Toronto, Canada.
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Thanks MOJO7009 understand your logic. I am not sure I agree however, with the concerns of others about using parts that are not "OEM". There are lots of threads about everything from tires to surge protectors, to better shower heads, that improve our way of life with the AS...I understand some of the concerns, and in the end, to each his own. Appreciate seeing others views. Perhaps I will end up with one of those 3400's someday if the EasyStart dose not work out.
Not trying to argue, but tires (maintenance replacement item), shower heads, and surge protectors are not modifications to the start circuit of an appliance, which is an internal, integral part of the system which could affect the voltage and amperage supply to the electric motor. This function could vary due to load, ambient conditions, elevation, etc.
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Not trying to argue, but tires (maintenance replacement item), shower heads, and surge protectors are not modifications to the start circuit of an appliance, which is an internal, integral part of the system which could affect the voltage and amperage supply to the electric motor. This function could vary due to load, ambient conditions, elevation, etc.
And, you could get hit by a car crossing the street...but not likely if you are confident in what your doing.... being overly cautious is not a bad thing either...I get that. I do not believe using the EasyStart is risky from what I have read...but that's just just me. I am not concerned about the warranty; heck, you could get a surge from the generator (potentially could happen) which could zap a circuit board and void warranty also, right? just saying...to each his own.. But, my only issue is with the extra weight of the larger generator and the hassle loading, unloading...as I said, I may go that direction if the EasyStart does not work. I like the Champion brand...which is why I own one. :-)
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Champion Regulator in front AS LP cover

[I] Quote [I will also consider putting a Y connector on one 30# tank, but I'm not sure how the fuel controller would fit inside the tank cover. These decisions will need to be determined when I get my Airstream.]

We love this product and have the smaller Champion 2800 duel fuel (Costo) and keep the regulator off one hitch LP tank with LP cover closed with 15ft additional quick connect out bottom linking to gen. Clean and hidden as for most times store, operate while secure in truck bed with gate closed. No lifting, out of tempting sight and quieter.

No issues starting or running smoothly in this configuration with Champion regulator further from gen. Always have LP valve habitually barely open for all AS usages.
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The 3500 is an exact duplicate of the 3400, just decaled for CW.
Not according to the spec sheet. Both share the 192 cc. engine so I'm not sure where the extra 100 watts came from, but I don't think it's fake.

But, you Champion fans, does anyone have one 5 years old? How did it do? Do you run it mostly on propane?
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Not according to the spec sheet. Both share the 192 cc. engine so I'm not sure where the extra 100 watts came from, but I don't think it's fake.
I called Champion and confirmed that they are exactly the same generator. They decal it 3500 for Camping World and a couple other large retailers. It's also confirmed on Champion's website on the 3400 duel fuel product page questions section. The response to this question is by Champion.
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It's also confirmed on Champion's website on the 3400 duel fuel product page questions section. The response to this question is by Champion.
It is!
I'd like to hear how Champion explains this?
"You can buy the $1100 unit with the 3500w decal or the
$1000 unit with the 3400w. decal, they're the same."

Maybe next week Honda will introduce the EU3200is decal?
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Or you can buy the Champion from Costco for $849.99 . This is the 3100 dual fuel with electric start. Dave
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It is!
I'd like to hear how Champion explains this?
"You can buy the $1100 unit with the 3500w decal or the
$1000 unit with the 3400w. decal, they're the same."

Maybe next week Honda will introduce the EU3200is decal?
Everything Camping World sells costs more than you can buy elsewhere. I paid $1079 for my 3400 from Supergen.
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Everything Camping World sells costs more than you can buy elsewhere. I paid $1079 for my 3400 from Supergen.
well, yeah, but you don't have the nifty 3500 decal!
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The 3400/3500 decal difference is more likely part of an agreement with the retailer(s) / mfg to have an exclusive product and not be as easily price compared ( because we consumers can't tell the difference)
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Champion 100263 3400 Watt vs 100264 3500 Watt
http://www.championpowerequipment.co...2Finverters%2F

Only difference I see is that the 3400 Watt weighs less than 1 lb. more. Same horsepower engine and every other specification.

The 3100 specs are quite different. Smaller engine, longer runtime and 1.1 lb heavier.
http://www.championpowerequipment.co...2Finverters%2F

I chose the 3400 because I could see the horsepower difference from the 3100 in the specs and felt 10% more wattage was significant. I believe the 3100 says it will run a 13,500 BTU A/C versus the 3400 saying it will run a 15,000 BTU.

I chose to save money with the 3400 versus the 3500 because I saw the same engine size and they both say they will run a 15,000 BTU A/C.
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