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03-16-2017, 06:15 PM
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#21
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Rivet Master
2017 25' Flying Cloud
Florence
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Join Date: Dec 2015
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Looks like overstock is again or still offering the 10% discount on this gen.
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03-17-2017, 12:56 PM
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1 Rivet Member
2010 19' International
Bellevue
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Join Date: Sep 2016
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I called Overstock about CA compliance and they changed the online statement after I called to say it was NOT CA compliant. Also, one of the questions on the Champion website was what is the difference between the 3400 Dual Fuel and the 3500 Dual Fuel and the answer was there is none, the label is conservative in former case and more liberal in the latter. The Model 100263 3400 Dual Fuel at Home Depot and on the Champion website both say they are 50 State CARB compliant.
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03-17-2017, 07:16 PM
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#23
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4 Rivet Member
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Vintage Kin Owner
Sonoma Co.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AirMiles
Generator review: Unpacked the Champion 3400 Watt Dual Fuel Inverter Generator this weekend. .......moved it to the center of my pickup truck bed with a closed tailgate to test the sound level.
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How did you do this, Air? You either have a very strong back to hoist this generator into the truck bed or we're missing some info here.
I'd need a portable shop crane or gantry to lift this 95 lb generator into the truck. The 50 lb. 2000W gen unit is the most I care to lift in and out for every road trip and camp site. I'm too old to test my back further.
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03-17-2017, 07:27 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
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You are allowed to get help. At one time I could lift 100 pounds into a truck, nit any more.
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03-17-2017, 07:35 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Jupiter
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 1,140
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First generator test with AS
I finally had the opportunity to test out our Champion 3400 dual fuel generator with our AS today. I had previously only ran it for about .6 hours with it running a full size refrigerator/freezer and some lights.
I hooked it up to the propane outlet in the front of the AS and it ran my 15,000 BTU AC, the refrigerator, and some lights with no problem. No generator is quiet, but I had it sitting right outside the bedroom window and when we were inside with the AC running we could only hear it if we put our ear close to that window, and then just barely. So that's pretty good.
I ran it for a little over an hour, so I still have another 3 hours or so before it's broken in and I can do the first oil change. I did add an hour meter mounted to the outside so that I can easily monitor run time.
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03-17-2017, 08:30 PM
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#26
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Rivet Master
2017 25' Flying Cloud
Florence
, Alabama
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 711
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaLevel
I finally had the opportunity to test out our Champion 3400 dual fuel generator with our AS today. I had previously only ran it for about .6 hours with it running a full size refrigerator/freezer and some lights.
I hooked it up to the propane outlet in the front of the AS and it ran my 15,000 BTU AC, the refrigerator, and some lights with no problem. No generator is quiet, but I had it sitting right outside the bedroom window and when we were inside with the AC running we could only hear it if we put our ear close to that window, and then just barely. So that's pretty good.
I ran it for a little over an hour, so I still have another 3 hours or so before it's broken in and I can do the first oil change. I did add an hour meter mounted to the outside so that I can easily monitor run time.
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My AS has a Lp outlet in the front for use of a propane bbq or the likes. Are you talking about that or disconnecting one of the Lp tanks and plugging in there?
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03-18-2017, 06:41 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Globetrotter
Apollo Beach
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Join Date: Feb 2017
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Lifting Generator: I'll admit to getting help each time I have lifted the generator. The wheels and handle really help with moving this generator around. Once its up on the tailgate, its easy to move it around in the truck bed.
Hooking it up to Airstream: I don't have my Airstream yet (April delivery scheduled) but I too wonder how to hook it up to the low pressure quick connect on the Airstream. I believe you would need to keep the large "fuel controller" regulator but remove the small chrome "high pressure" regulator for the generator to work properly. I tried to remove the short propane hose from the fuel controller to add a longer hose but was not successful. I was putting enough pressure on the fittings that I was afraid it was going to break the fuel controller. So instead of removing the short hose, I will use a Camco 57282 10' Propane Quick-Connect Hose with quick connect fittings to extend the hose. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...=ATVPDKIKX0DER The high pressure regulator is connected to the fuel controller in the same way as the short rubber hose. Has anyone been able to remove either the short hose or high pressure regulator from the controller? When looking at the parts diagram in the owners manual, it shows the fuel controller as a single assembly with the hose and regulator, not as separate parts. Are the hose and regulator fittings pressed together and not removable?
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03-18-2017, 08:14 AM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Globetrotter
Apollo Beach
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Lots of good information about connecting to the Airstream low pressure quick connect port in this thread. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f287...or-151942.html
Post 5 shows how I imagine adding an extension hose from the low pressure disconnect to the generator fuel controller IF the high pressure regulator can be removed from the fuel controller.
Post 7 shows the generators connected to the Airstream, but not the fuel controllers.
Post 10 talks about fuel consumption which agrees to my fuel consumption in a prior post that a gallon of gas lasts as long as a gallon of propane.
Post 14 gives me something more to consider. Along those lines, I'm thinking it may be better just to mount a 20# tank in the truck bed to run the generator. Then you can use tank exchanges for refills and the two 30# tanks on the Airstream as backups. I will also consider putting a Y connector on one 30# tank, but I'm not sure how the fuel controller would fit inside the tank cover. These decisions will need to be determined when I get my Airstream.
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03-18-2017, 09:10 AM
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#29
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
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Agree..
Quote:
Originally Posted by USAtraveler
How did you do this, Air? You either have a very strong back to hoist this generator into the truck bed or we're missing some info here.
I'd need a portable shop crane or gantry to lift this 95 lb generator into the truck. The 50 lb. 2000W gen unit is the most I care to lift in and out for every road trip and camp site. I'm too old to test my back further.
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I am in agreement with you; trying to figure out why some of these folks are using the heavier 95pound 3400 generators now that there is a solution to using the 45-50 pound 2000W units with the MicroAir Easystart unit which will comfortably run the AC and other appliances? I was head-strong on the 3400 also before reading this thread:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f449...ml#post1923576
I guess unless your running several AC powered units together you may want the larger 3400W generators? Otherwise, save your back and get the lighter 2000W unit with the MicroAir switch. For me, I don't want the extra hassle of both loading and carrying the extra weight of the larger unit...don't need to loose that payload either. Could be I am missing something again...
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03-18-2017, 02:47 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Globetrotter
Apollo Beach
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2017
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"trying to figure out why some of these folks are using the heavier 95 pound 3400 generators now that there is a solution to using the 45-50 pound 2000W units with the MicroAir Easystart unit which will comfortably run the AC and other appliances? I was head-strong on the 3400 also before reading this thread:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f449...ml#post1923576"
I read that thread and believe the issues/concerns were well covered and do not need to be rehashed. I prefer to have a generator with a TT-30 plug for my 30A travel trailer. The Champion 100263 has a TT-30 plug, is very quiet, has clean electric output, uses propane from the factory, has electric start, weighs less - costs less and is smaller than its equal spec competition. These are the reasons why I chose to buy a 95# generator.
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03-18-2017, 05:21 PM
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#31
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2016 25' Flying Cloud
Jupiter
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dblee1950
My AS has a Lp outlet in the front for use of a propane bbq or the likes. Are you talking about that or disconnecting one of the Lp tanks and plugging in there?
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The LP outlet in the front. I got a 12' propane hose with a quick connect on one end and what you'd normally connect to a grill on the other, and with a few parts from Home Depot was able to put a quick connect on the other end. So now one end plugs into the generator and one into the LP outlet in the front of the AS.
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03-18-2017, 05:24 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Jupiter
, Florida
Join Date: Nov 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gypsydad
I am in agreement with you; trying to figure out why some of these folks are using the heavier 95pound 3400 generators now that there is a solution to using the 45-50 pound 2000W units with the MicroAir Easystart unit which will comfortably run the AC and other appliances? I was head-strong on the 3400 also before reading this thread:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f449...ml#post1923576
I guess unless your running several AC powered units together you may want the larger 3400W generators? Otherwise, save your back and get the lighter 2000W unit with the MicroAir switch. For me, I don't want the extra hassle of both loading and carrying the extra weight of the larger unit...don't need to loose that payload either. Could be I am missing something again...
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In my case the 3400 will also be used around the house for when we have power outages from hurricanes etc. I didn't want to buy two generators.
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03-18-2017, 05:53 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Globetrotter
Apollo Beach
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Join Date: Feb 2017
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Sea Level, Did you eliminate the high pressure regulator and/or controller regulator ( what I was formerly calling a fuel controller)? I believe the controller regulator is necessary for efficient operation. This is an example of what the controller regulator looks like https://www.propanecarbs.com/garrets...regulator.html
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03-18-2017, 06:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 25' Flying Cloud
Jupiter
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AirMiles
Sea Level, Did you eliminate the high pressure regulator and/or controller regulator ( what I was formerly calling a fuel controller)? I believe the controller regulator is necessary for efficient operation. This is an example of what the controller regulator looks like https://www.propanecarbs.com/garrets...regulator.html
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I don't have anything else in the middle right now. I did have to adjust the shutoff valve slightly for it to run smoothly. It didn't run smoothly with it all the way open.
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03-18-2017, 06:38 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Globetrotter
Apollo Beach
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Reducing fuel without the controller is because when too much fuel goes into the carburetor, it freezes up per this quote "A propane system will have a propane tank which feeds to a vaporizer to convert the liquid propane into a vapor for fuel consumption. The plus with propane is that in never goes bad...but the down side to it is if the vaporizer fails, or a fuel line leaks, or the vaporizer's internal fuel valve allows too much fuel into the carburetor, the fuel system will literally freeze up, even in the dead of summer at 100 degrees" from this thread: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=252513
I've also read that the fuel controller needs to be close to the carburetor. Therefore, I believe one must remove the small high pressure regulator and then connect a hose from the AS quick disconnect to the fuel controller. You would not want to put the fuel controller at the AS quick disconnect and extend the hose to the generator like I suggested might do in post #27 earlier.
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03-18-2017, 06:59 PM
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#36
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3 Rivet Member
2016 26' Flying Cloud
Oxford Mills
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Join Date: Feb 2017
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They won't ship or sell dual fuel ⛽️ model in/to
Canada [emoji1063], so ordered on overstock and shipped to
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03-18-2017, 07:01 PM
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#37
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3 Rivet Member
2016 26' Flying Cloud
Oxford Mills
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Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 153
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Our nearest border town ogdensburg
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03-18-2017, 07:04 PM
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Rivet Master
2018 27' Globetrotter
Apollo Beach
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Crazycanuck, did you get 10 or 12% off today?
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03-18-2017, 07:06 PM
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#39
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3 Rivet Member
2016 26' Flying Cloud
Oxford Mills
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Join Date: Feb 2017
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12% off yesterday as a new customer. No state tax but will pay [emoji383] provincial tax at the border
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03-18-2017, 07:58 PM
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#40
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3 Rivet Member
Fair Oaks Ranch
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2015
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Mine arrive earlier this week. I've been breaking it in, using propane. I have a 20lb tank that I will carry in the bed of the truck. As back up, I have a quick connect on the front of the trailer into the dual 30lb tanks.
Lifting: to hook up the battery and add initial oil I decided I'd try lifting it onto the tailgate of my truck. I'm in my 60's, 5'11" and 150lbs. I found that by grabbing both handles in a squat I could lift it to a standing position. Then, I just leaned back and hoisted it a couple of inches onto the tailgate. Taking it off was just the reverse.
For the price it's a nice generator. Started right up on propane and is pretty quiet. We're heading out in a few days for a couple of weeks and plan on giving it a good test.
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