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Old 11-27-2013, 08:56 PM   #29
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That is comforting- all of mine on the curb side have moisture under the lenses. I don't think water/moisture can enter the trailer this way, either- at least that's what Jim at Foley led me to believe.
M.hony, you have a 2013 Classic trailer, correct. If you do, your lights should have the cast piece under the lens base and be caulked and sealed. Am I correct? And you still have lights with condensation in them?
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:12 PM   #30
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Yep- that cast piece looks like something extra or in addition to the normal bezel- maybe a Classic only thing. I think the moisture is getting in between Does lens and the base.
In phone conversations with the service center at JC I was told they would just replace the lights.
I will attempt to photograph the lights with moisture in them tomorrow when it is daylight.
I wonder sometimes if it is really nothing to worry about. I sometimes see automobile light lenses with moisture inside.
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:15 PM   #31
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i think the classic bases look better and are a better long term fixture for the AS...

as long as my current setup does not collect and pool water I will be pleased...if it does, then JC likely will replace (based on what others said)....if that does not fix the ?issue? then at least ill have the nifty new fixtures....

It seems easier in theory to seal up the classic fixtures and leave an opening in bottom...looking at these gaskets I am skeptical
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Old 11-27-2013, 09:40 PM   #32
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Yep- that cast piece looks like something extra or in addition to the normal bezel- maybe a Classic only thing. I think the moisture is getting in between Does lens and the base. In phone conversations with the service center at JC I was told they would just replace the lights. I will attempt to photograph the lights with moisture in them tomorrow when it is daylight. I wonder sometimes if it is really nothing to worry about. I sometimes see automobile light lenses with moisture inside.
Thanks. I asked because the installation on the cast base that is on all classic trailers is the fix for the corrosion causing, condensation gathering lights on the 2011 and 2012 FC and Int trailers. That base and a complete caulking of all three parts with Acryl R is what fixes both problems. I thought your Classic trailer's lights would have been completely sealed with caulk also and as such, should have not collected water inside. When you take the photos, will you look carefully to see if the lights are caulked well or if you can see a pin hole or two that might let in condensation.

I had that "Classic base" fix done to my 30 FC and have had no Filiform or condensation issues since. The real secret is however, a perfect caulking job of lens and bases.

"" wonder sometimes if it is really nothing to worry about"". See post above, LED lights will die eventually if wet.

I like the E Bay lights with the epoxy base. That's the best answer.
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Good to hear yours are not getting wet inside - ill be interested to hear back from m.hony if there are holes - have to be to accumulate that much water pooling in the lenses
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Old 11-28-2013, 10:26 AM   #34
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I'm beginning to think it is maybe just a little harmless condensation caused by temperature differential- the inside and outside cool/warm at different rates at sunrise/sundown. Everything appears to be sealed up really well. I have a theory as to why only on the curb side- the street side is against a fence while parked at the house. The curb side gets the rising sun-
Anyhoo, I will get Jackson Center to check it out when I ho there in the spring.
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Yep....

After more than a few years of chasing this...my opinion also.
Same clues as well....morning sun warms them, then shade for the rest of the day they stay wet.
Sunny side eventually dries....mostly.
Leave them lit and the heat from the incan bulbs dries them out.

I did have leaks though...you know they leak when the light is half full of water.
Biggest culprit, the center mount screw. An O-ring seal around the inside of the screw and a coating of dielectric grease solved the problem.

A few beads on the inside of the lens, I no longer worry about.
The nice thing about the older style...one screw and the lens is off ready to clean and dry.

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Old 11-28-2013, 08:55 PM   #36
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I'm beginning to think it is maybe just a little harmless condensation caused by temperature differential- the inside and outside cool/warm at different rates at sunrise/sundown. Everything appears to be sealed up really well. I have a theory as to why only on the curb side- the street side is against a fence while parked at the house. The curb side gets the rising sun- Anyhoo, I will get Jackson Center to check it out when I ho there in the spring.
M. I think I see a small pin hole in the caulk on three of those photos. In each case it's at the area where the lens is caulked to the plastic base . I'm sure there is one at the small end of the red light. Believe it or not, an opening that small will allow moisture to enter and will find its way into the plastic lens if the backside wires on that light are not sealed. I caulked the lights on my trailer myself after the Classic base fix was installed by dealer. On one light I missed one small spot with caulk, and it picked up moisture a month later. I Let the light dry out, re caulked the missing area and no moisture since.

""I'm beginning to think it is maybe just a little harmless condensation"", It's just not going to happen unless there is moisture inside the lens and a factory lens is not going to have moisture present. Maybe a little moisture won't hurt, but like posted earlier, LEDs don't get hot enough to dry themselves out. It's inevitable that some leaking lights will continue to get worse--some may not.
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M. I think I see a small pin hole in the caulk on three of those photos. In each case it's at the area where the lens is caulked to the plastic base . I'm sure there is one at the small end of the red light. Believe it or not, an opening that small will allow moisture to enter and will find its way into the plastic lens if the backside wires on that light are not sealed. I caulked the lights on my trailer myself after the Classic base fix was installed by dealer. On one light I missed one small spot with caulk, and it picked up moisture a month later. I Let the light dry out, re caulked the missing area and no moisture since.

""I'm beginning to think it is maybe just a little harmless condensation"", It's just not going to happen unless there is moisture inside the lens and a factory lens is not going to have moisture present. Maybe a little moisture won't hurt, but like posted earlier, LEDs don't get hot enough to dry themselves out. It's inevitable that some leaking lights will continue to get worse--some may not.
I agree with Howard, a tiny pinhole will let a great deal of water in and almost none will dry out. It will most surely accumulate and pool in the lower base unless the lower base caulking is left open to drain.

We had Classic style bases installed on our trailer at Jackson Center Service Center; one had a pinhole and nearly filled with water until I drained it, dried it, and caulked the pinhole.

There are three components to the LED Classic fixtures. An aluminum base that is exclusive to Classics, then a chrome plastic base that is used on all models, and the combination lens/LED assembly (all one unit) used on all models. Each component is sealed to the next, the Classic aluminum base sealed to Airstream shell.

On our trailer at Jackson Center Service Center they left a sealant gap at the bottom of the Classic base-to-shell to drain on all fixtures except the top rear three. One of these without the drain gap had a pinhole and collected water.

You have a new trailer under warranty, and they will fix it. Call Airstream Customer Service at Jackson Center to report and ask for advice on repair. We contacted them and they offered to have it fixed locally because we lived far from the dealer. Nonetheless, we were traveling through Ohio anyway so made a list for them to do.

Too much do-it-yourself advice could complicate warranty repair, seek manufacturer help here, and send them photos to document the problem.

It is not acceptable for condensation inside the fixture, will lead to corrosion and electrical problems there sooner or later.
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Old 11-29-2013, 03:10 AM   #38
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The condensation inside the lights hasn't gotten any worse. It's about the same as it was a year ago.
I have already spoken with Jackson Center. They seem willing to replace the lights. I got a lot more "eager to help/want to make you happy" vibe from Jackson Center than from a dealer- 5 hours away /want me to leave the coach/don't have the lights in stock/are unfamiliar or unaware or unknowledgeable about the Classic light bezels-think they are added. I want to make it to Jackson Center in September 2014. I really want to have all warranty/service work/customization/modification done at Jackson Center.
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As part of our PDI process we put a thin bead of sealant around the light between the lens and the base as well as between the base and the exterior skin, we leave about 2" on the bottom unsealed so water has a way out. This seems to have greatly reduced the incidence of moisture in the lamps.

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I am getting ready to repair and replace all the lights on my 2010 International and also want to install the Classic rings. Does anyone know if there is a gasket that gets installed between the Classic ring and the body of the trailer to isolate the two?

My lights are very difficult to pull away from the body. Is this normal?

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I am getting ready to repair and replace all the lights on my 2010 International and also want to install the Classic rings. Does anyone know if there is a gasket that gets installed between the Classic ring and the body of the trailer to isolate the two?

My lights are very difficult to pull away from the body. Is this normal?

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Do you have LED or incandescent clearance lights? They are a completely different fixture, and I think they switched to LED's during the 2010 production year. If they are LED contact Airstream Customer Service, they may still help you fix them.

There is no gasket with the Classic aluminum bases (rings?). Our LED fixtures were difficult to pull away from the body because there is a gob of sealant around the wires where the go through the hole in the shell. Be really careful you don't pull the wires too hard and break or disconnect them; you'll have a tough task trying to locate them inside the shell and reconnect.
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