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Old 01-26-2014, 10:31 PM   #337
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jimrich60, or anyone else for that matter, how do you get the reading light fixtures out on a 76 Sovereign (ones over the curved windows at front)? Or I might use them if I can identify a LED replacement bulb but either way the switchs on both broke years ago with previous owner.

Neither of mine function and I am thinking of replacing them with LED strip lighting but for the life of me I can't figure how to get them out and going through overhead storage doesn't appear to be a option either.

With two of them I am thinking of doing a white strip across the front for reading off a switch from one side and a blue light strip next to that for a night light controlled off another switch.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a replacement light? http?

Jimrich also when you did the strip light replacement in the overheads how did you do the corners or did you just kind of wrap the to face inwards or outwards to give light indirectly? I would love to see a pic of how you did that.

I was also thinking of use LED module 5630s that would allow a full circle of LEDS facing down under the shade and still use the 1141/1156 recepticles with lights in those as well.
The spot front reading lamps use a 1383 bulb.(See link below for LED replacement)
2pc RV LED Long Neck Reading Light 1383 1156 Base 150 Lum 12 or 24V 13830070 02 | eBay
the bulb has standard 1156 type base.
if you have trouble getting the old bulb out, the "Trim ring" has either 3 or 4 screws take them out and the whole fixture should drop down.
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Old 01-27-2014, 04:51 AM   #338
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The spot front reading lamps use a 1383 bulb.(See link below for LED replacement)
2pc RV LED Long Neck Reading Light 1383 1156 Base 150 Lum 12 or 24V 13830070 02 | eBay
the bulb has standard 1156 type base.
if you have trouble getting the old bulb out, the "Trim ring" has either 3 or 4 screws take them out and the whole fixture should drop down.
If your talking about the eyeball style light, there is an LED replacement.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:54 PM   #339
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stove top light

Here is what I did for this light: I used 2 of these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261147510609.
Wired them to the new 3 way switch (on-off-on)
Mini 10 Amp 3 Position on Off on Rocker Switch | eBay
and then put a small amber led in the original socket as a night light. I also replaced the cover with a cracked ice one.
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Old 02-04-2014, 03:09 AM   #340
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RLS, I basically did the same thing but first ones like the sticky you used was a warm white and I put in three of them and man what a difference.

Latest acquisition is a pack of ten of these which are bright white. They have 48 5630 chips per panel.

10x White Car 48 SMD 5630 LED Panel Light 1156 BA15S 89 P21W 1459 1619 1651 12V | eBay

They have adaptors for 1156 bulbs on the older Airstreams. I am thinking of using a tail light lens as initial pattern, tracing it out on lexan and then reducing it about 3/8" on all sides so it will allow a deeper set into the light recess. Might have to reduce it more but once I figure out the size I have a pattern for the rest of them.

I figure I can mount them with dabs of a roof sealant I have found called Through the Roof which has a very wide temp range for service and application and also clear to hold the lexan in place. It can be cut free and replaced should the need arise. Not everyone sells it but hit the website and it lists dealers nationwide. Here is their tech data sheet:

http://www.sashco.com/hi/pdfs/TRF_TechData.pdf

Even more interesting is this stuff will stick to EPDM rubber roof material and most adhesives won't. I found this out when I called Weldwood and talked to tech section and they said their contact cement will not adhere to it.


Two of these should mount on the lexan and give 96 LED brake lights. I will solder the + and - wires together between the connector on two of the lights so all 96 lights work on same 1156 plug adaptor. But then again I will probably try one 48 LED panel and replace the lens and get back and look at it in the dark and daylight and see how they look.



On all 1156 and two prong plugs I will apply the protective goop (can't remember the name of it) that prevent contact corrosion. It comes in small tubes from the truck part supply places.


To enhance the overhead interior lights I am going to put a string of twelve of these on the outer edge with four across the sides and wire them into circuit. That will give six 18 chip in the sockets and 36 more on the outside.

40pcs SMD5630 White 6000K 3 LEDs Module Waterproof DC12V High Lumens | eBay

For the tail lights I am thinking five of the above stuck on lexan and using one of the 1156 adaptors from the above lights and plug into the issue recepticle. If six will fit in even better.

As Andy says you can't beat LEDs and this was brought home to me very clearly as we worked a wreck scene out on a dark rural road late one night. I was working traffic control on one end and the husband of one of the drivers arrived to pick up his wife driving a late model Cadillac which has a massive LED light system on the back. I was 50 yards back from the impact scene so I could see every red light we had going and the light intensity of the Caddy was just as effective as our roof strobes. I knew right then how I wanted the AS to appear but at that time I was not into LEDs.

Now that I have a much better working knowledge of what is available and what to buy and what to pass on I hope to be in a much more visible position when we hit the road in a few months.

Bottom line is there are apparently three levels of LED, one in the 3000 range, ones that are called 5050s and the others are 5630 which are brighter. Thusly all I am laying in are the 5050s and 5630s.

I read a recommendation recommending no more than 300 individual LEDs per circuit and they come factory wired with 23AWG wire. The wire I am soldering to them will be 18AWG for the longer runs.
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:37 AM   #341
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Hummer, good to know about the 5030 leds. I will be using them in my future led replacements I have already made up my own tail light leds and back up ones, but seeing those 5030's sure gets me wanting to even replace what I already did I used 4 - 3" led rigid strips in ea. assembly for the tail lights and kept the brake light bulb working, but only when the brakes are applied if that makes any sense. Thanks for the information.
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RLS, did some more research on line and found out some very interesting info on calculating how much you need to do this and that with LEDs that will equal and or surpass 1156 bulbs. Per my research this is what I found:

1156 Clear bulbs (standard on our 76 Sovereign) give off 403 lumens

One 5630 LED Chip gives off 50 Lumens, thusly a 8 chip LED panel of 5630s will duplicate (almost) one 1156 bulb.

Thusly I am going to do this two ways. First is I am going to get a 24 5630 panel and use that on the running light which should give 1200 lumens.

For the backup light I am going to mount one 48 5630 LED on lexan in alignment with the white section of glass and back ups will be 2400 lumens each where the 1156 would be about just over 800 Lumens for two.

On the brake light I am going to use another 48 5630 LED glued on lexan for the same level and may be able to add a couple 3 ship modules with 5630s.

For every 30 of the 5630s you are only pulling 1.5 watts. and .217 Amps.

Hope this helps.
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led back-up lights

Here is what I have, they really light the back up and these are only the 50 ones!
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Old 02-06-2014, 05:40 AM   #344
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RLS, absolutely beautiful workmanship Sir!

I have a good neighbor who had a very nice finger brake and he helped me make a gage to check the replacement axles for my 76 before I brought them home.

I took something else down a couple weeks ago for bending and he had sold it and I was devastated as I did not even know he was contemplating letting it go or I would have made a move on it.

I have a lathe and a mill and vertical band saw, acetylene and stick unit and a No 3 Dake arbor press so I am reasonably dangerous but as you know they are not the answer to many things a guy can come up with that need specialty tools for modifications.

From the pics we have different rear light housings and lenses and as a start I cut out some lexan pieces based on replacement lenses I have but have not gone out to the rig and pulled one off for a closer looksee at the cup inside.

However I believe your idea is the first class way to go here and I have some galvanized tin scraps from a HVAC shop I can experiment with.

From the pics the base plate in your light is the original and you fabbed the "bridge" to mount the LED panel to and attached it to the reflector plate in the light?

Could you post some pics on what you did with the other lights? Many thanks and again good job!.
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Old 02-07-2014, 05:39 AM   #345
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Lexan in exterior locations

I noted the idea of using Lexan (polycarbonate) materials on an Airstream. This is very sensitive to UV radiation and when mounted in a location which receives sunshine one must paint the Lexan to protect it. If not it deteriorates within a few years and breaks easily.

This is true in my experience when used for break proof windows, as in a high security area, and in various brackets created with the Lexan…which broke after about 2 1/2 years.
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MSMOTO, Yes, my source of Lexan told me that several years ago that continious sunlight was a killer. He sold me a 4X7 ft sheet that I use in my shooting building and it is only exposed to the sun for maybe two hours in the morning and it has been in the window for I am thinking about eight years now and has not turned yellow (knock on wood).

I also have plastic in back window (most likely Plexiglass) of my camper cover and it was used when I got it and it stays parked under the same shed and only exposed a few hours in the morning unless I am out on the road with it. I got it in 2011 on a trip to Ohio and fortunately it has not turned yet but it has sure been flexed and impacted but holds up well.



Direct sunlight is a killer of many things as was brought out in a course I took at Rock Island Arsenal on Corrosion Control and Prevention of Material Deterrioration and I know on the gov't storage areas for vehicles known as "hard stands" all the glass is covered and tires removed to get them out of the sun.

I would surmise that most of us have seen the sun deterrioration of the roof vent covers and the resultant embrittlement/cracking. My rear vent was removed as we never opened it I covered the opening with a piece of aluminum wrap that facia boards are covered with these days that never need painting and sealed it with 20 year silicone sealant before screwing the new piece on.

I was just thinking yesterday the lenses on the AS had dulled (like the plastic headlights do) and was just thinking I should get out the 1200 grit and wet sand them and polish them and see if they come back as well like my headlight lenses have on our 2002 Durango.

I also remember reading something somewhere that explained how tail light lenses are fabricated to reflect & re-direct light waves from a single concentrated light source but I dont remember the details. CRS strikes again ! ! !

I found a very nice piece of Lexan about 12"X 72" years ago discarded from putting up protective covers for stained glass windows. It is quite thick and it still has the factory protective covering on it and thought I would give some of it a try as it used as lens material in certain applications. It hasn't seen daylight since I guess 96 and still mint.

We had a Minnie Winnie about ten years back and the porch light lens broke and I cut a new cover out of Lexan and replaced it and it had not changed in a couple years but then again it stayed parked in a garage when not on the road.

I am thinking how it would be a simple trick to fab some covers out of vinyl covered fiberglass that tarps are made from and hold them in place with the Velcro patches from Home Depot etc and just remove the covers when hitting the road when the tire covers are removed. My tires only see direct sunshine when our girl is on the highway and even though it is under a shed they are still covered when not rolling.

Lexan is amazing stuff. We had a structure fire about 15 years back on a commercial building and we forced the door and we had taken precautions to protect ourselves from shattering glass and when we forced the door enough to spring it open to our surprise it did not shatter and it was apparently Lexan or another material.
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Jim, thanks much, now I see. In the dark I couldn't see the recessed screws and just went out and checked again and yep they are there. Now it looks like I have two broken switches. Gee I am lucky haha

I may get lucky and can change them out to toggle switches and I will probably get the small LED panel lights RLS used.

Having a old Airstream is shall we say an interesting challange to find what will work better than it did in 1976 because there are definite upgrades one can do to make things better and more durable.

MSMOTO, I have been researching Lexan in light lenses and I found several vehicle exterior lights reportedly made from Lexan.

While in town I stopped by Home Depot and checked the plastics stock and they have Lexan and acrylic and bought:

OPTIX 18 in. x 24 in. x 0.093 in. Clear Acrylic Sheet Glass Replacement-MC-05 at The Home Depot

Lexan was available at about twice the price. Per the literature acrylic is 20 times stronger than glass and Lexan is 200 times stronger than glass. The above is enough for me to make all my tail light lenses and replace the opaque covers on the overhead sink and bed lights for about $10.00.

For kicks I pulled out my piece of Lexan which appears to be about 1/4" thick and traced out a new lens and cut two of them out with my scroll saw last night. By the prices now my piece of Lexan is apparentlly worth 175.00 or more.

I did a ebay search and RED acrylic sheets are available in abundance but RED Lexan was not.
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Lexan in its original form deteriorates in sunlight. A new product, Lexan SLX resists sunlight deterioration for up to 10 years as I understand it. I do not know of the availability of Lexan SLX, however.
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Has anyone replaced the pancake lights with puck lights?

I would like to change out the whole fixture that comes in the 16ft Sport. They are just dual sided plastic pancake lights and Im looking to add that upgraded touch when I revamp some of the interior with the recessed lights and some spots. Any suggestions?
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