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Old 12-16-2010, 08:04 AM   #267
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Puck me!

I've got about 3 burned out bulbs in my puck lights - those little suckers are a pain in the butt to change, HOT and not cheap.

I'd LIKE to go to LED's.... but with the replacements costing between $12 & $16 EACH I'm conflicted (cheap). I have 12 ceiling pucks - side prongs needed and 5 spotlights, back prongs needed

Does anyone offer a volume discount if I buy them all at once?

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Old 12-16-2010, 01:24 PM   #268
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Go to 5 watt G4 base bulbs

LED's continue to be non reliable, expensive and dim. Go to 5 watt halogen, G4 base bulbs...... The brightness is about the same and you can buy them for 10 cents each on ebay.
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Thanks for the hint, but they're still about $2 per bulb on ebay. Certainly much cheaper than at the Home Depot or local lighting store but...

The 2011 CCD's come with warm white LED's - and the nice thing is that they don't heat up to the temp of the sun within a nanosecond of putting them in!

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Two dollars per bulb? Try 15 cents each

You can buy 20 of them for $3.19.

20X Halogen JC Type Light Bulbs/G4 Base 12V 5W 5 Watt - eBay (item 320619074693 end time Dec-17-10 19:11:04 PST)
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Old 12-16-2010, 04:21 PM   #271
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you are right I was looking at Xenon bulbs

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I will take exception to the reliability issue of LEDs. If one purchases these from a reliable provider, LED4RV, being the one I use, you get good LEDs. However, the issues from the manufacturers must be carefully screened by each retailer and that is why some will just ship what they have while the source I use actually tests each unit to make certain it is up to standards.
My experience is converting my 2009 27FB INternational Ocean Breeze to 100% LED. No failures in 25,000 miles. Also converting a Tiffin Allegro Bus 43 QGP. No failures in the chips, but in some of the newer T10 base lights the tip LED Failed and these were replaced immediately with no charge. Incidentally, there are 67 pucks in the Bus. Ask suppliers for a discount if you are purchasing a large quantity. The wonderful advantage in LEDs is the cool operating temperature. As far as brightness, they are about equal to the 12v halogens they replaced. Most folks who visit say they are brighter. One can also buy LED strips and pot them in epoxy, then stick them up under cabinets. Super lights. Very bright.
The BIG downside... you will never get your money out of the LED. It is about the convenience, comfort, and low current draw. Not economy.
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I will take exception to the reliability issue of LEDs. If one purchases these from a reliable provider, LED4RV, being the one I use, you get good LEDs. However, the issues from the manufacturers must be carefully screened by each retailer and that is why some will just ship what they have while the source I use actually tests each unit to make certain it is up to standards.
My experience is converting my 2009 27FB INternational Ocean Breeze to 100% LED. No failures in 25,000 miles. Also converting a Tiffin Allegro Bus 43 QGP. No failures in the chips, but in some of the newer T10 base lights the tip LED Failed and these were replaced immediately with no charge. Incidentally, there are 67 pucks in the Bus. Ask suppliers for a discount if you are purchasing a large quantity. The wonderful advantage in LEDs is the cool operating temperature. As far as brightness, they are about equal to the 12v halogens they replaced. Most folks who visit say they are brighter. One can also buy LED strips and pot them in epoxy, then stick them up under cabinets. Super lights. Very bright.
The BIG downside... you will never get your money out of the LED. It is about the convenience, comfort, and low current draw. Not economy.
I guess I'll jump on this wagon. I have been using LEDs in vehicles and my old SOB for about 8 years. The newer technology bulbs are brighter than they were just a few years ago. Also the varying temperatures of light output has gotten more diverse in tha past few years.

You do have to either do some research or order a "sample" to make sure the bulbs you select meet your needs and expectations. I have had better luck ordering "blindly" with Dan at LED4RV, because I know he personally test his products for RV application suitability before stocking them.

In 8 years, 3 vehicles, 1 SOB, and 1 AS, I have had 1 bulb failure. A vehicle tail lamp which started flickering last month....8 years old.
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I will take exception to the reliability issue of LEDs. If one purchases these from a reliable provider...
does buying FROM a/s count?

converted about 60% of the the stream while in j/c in june...

a mix of strips, bayonet, puck (side and rear prong) and rectangular grids...

3 failures to date or about 50$ worth.

a/s will replace those, IF i go back or mail them.
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while bulb qualities have improved, many of these fixtures were NOT designed for using ledz.

so heat and juice quality and attachments/vibration do matter

and even the better bulbs fail much too often in THIS application.

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does buying FROM a/s count?

converted about 60% of the the stream while in j/c in june...

a mix of strips, bayonet, puck (side and rear prong) and rectangular grids...

3 failures to date or about 50$ worth.

a/s will replace those, IF i go back or mail them.
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while bulb qualities have improved, many of these fixtures were NOT designed for using ledz.

so heat and juice quality and attachments/vibration do matter

and even the better bulbs fail much too often in THIS application.

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Hmmmm, I wonder who their supplier is? The bulk of my purchases were from Superbright LEDs, until I became aware of LEDS4RV. Am happy with Superbright and their quality, but it's hard to "guess" brightness and temperature when ordering.
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well it's like this...

the bulb manufacturers are the same, same specs, same packaging ...

(realizing that NEW bulbs/designs continue to appear every few months)

your vendor/guy used 2 be the a/s service/parts guy at a well known a/s dealer/service shop in the carolinas.
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heat management/fixtures and current control are still issues...

which led design for EACH application is still not clear and regularly changes.

bench testing isn't durability testing and unless the exact fixtures (and location) are used,

testing may not reveal longer term issues...

most folks (especially boondocking) switch ON/off the lights frequently and avoid simply leaving them ON...

but try leaving ONE rectangular grid on for 50 hours, or 100 hours or longer...

signs of heat related changes will be obvious and dimming or failure will happen.

we've discussed the heat issue in other threads and even dan concedes there are still problems...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f206...ght-66969.html

and new/oem fixtures have failed right off the line too...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f447...ver-70591.html

this is not to discourage others from trying ledz but the point is they are not a panacea.

it's still expensive to convert and failures do happen

and per unit pricing makes carrying spare led bulbs an issue.

like so many things IN/on these trailers...

what looks good and seems OK when used 5 times a year,

may look a bit less rosy when used regularly or 100s of times a year.

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2air,
I wasn't speaking to durability testing in my previous post. I was refering to COLOR temperature and overall brightness for a particular lamp. ie. reading lamp vs. overhead. It was always disppointing to get my order from a "big box" general use site and find the output to not be what I expected.

Yeah, I'm the turn on/turn off sort....at most a few hours at a time. On the vehicles, even the tail lights, markers etc. as well as the old SOB running lights, it would be 8-10 hours max IF I ran through the night.
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LED's continue to be non reliable, expensive and dim. Go to 5 watt halogen, G4 base bulbs...... The brightness is about the same and you can buy them for 10 cents each on ebay.
That might have been true in the past but I mine have been in service going on three years with no problems and are not dim.
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OK, I love these discussions. The LEDs are for me an engineering exercise and not a total solution to any specific problem. Quite clearly, if one boondocks with minimal generator power the low current draw may be an advantage.

My experience has shown that the color temperature of LEDs is extremely dependent on the voltage applied. I have taken a bluish appearing "warm white" unit and a nice warm appearing unit, switched the sockets they were in and had the color change dramatically.

Apparently manufacturers have tolerances on specific issues but on the color they are not able to maintain a constant in the "low price" LEDs. If one wants to purchase the scientific quality LEDs, in the big dollar category, then one gets a complete system with a uniform power supply and brightness beyond one's imagination.

If I were into pure economy, I suspect I would be traveling with an old pickup and a plastic trailer.
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We updated to all LED's in our 65 Safari. Very little current draw, no heat and we like the light. No problems to date. Running 1 year.
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