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Old 11-13-2003, 10:51 PM   #1
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Question Toilet recommendations, please!

I'm gonna give the old toilet one more chance to stop leaking. Actually, I'm giving myself one more chance to fix it. If it's not the freshwater inlet valve, I give up -- I should know this weekend.

The current toilet is a 1982 Thetford Aqua Thingamajob.

My criteria are:

Comfortable....
Cleanable slash decent flushing action...
Good value for the price...
Low water use, or at least controllable...
Fits on old Thetford base...
...and DOES NOT FREAKIN' LEAK!!

What's anybody like?

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Old 11-14-2003, 08:17 AM   #2
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The only thing I would add to your list is a crushed velvet seat. Then you truly have throne you can be proud of.
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Old 11-14-2003, 10:36 AM   #3
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I'm thinking about replacing my 'original' with a Thetford Bravura. Does anyone have comments on the 'Bravura'? Please help us out.
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I recommend going right away. Putting it off too long can give you Uromisotisis (Seinfeld fans will recognize that affliction)

As my father always says, "Mention my name and you'll get a good seat!"

Mine is a Thetford Aqua Magic Galaxy Starlite, that is current sitting in my garage. While we are on the subject, does anyone know if this was original for a 1972?
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You should check out the unit by "Sealand". They're made of porcelin so they clean up easily, yet they don't weigh that much (20 lbs?). The best thing is they don't leak water from the bowl, which means they don't allow odor to escape from the B/W tank. Mine was about $180.00, well worth it. You'll need to retro-fit your existing flange to accept two more bolts (4 total), or get an adapter kit. The only slight drawback I can see is that Sealand's shortest model still sits an inch or two higher than the Thetford. The adapter kit increases the height (1/2"?), more reason to retro-fit the existing flange. You can control the amount of water you want in the bowl. I wouldn't want to go back to the Thetford.
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Old 11-14-2003, 05:04 PM   #6
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We recently replaced the Thetford in our 77 Argosy TT with a Sealand Traveler Lite model 111. It was the only model we found that would fit in the existing space with no modification. It has a china bowl and a standard household seat and is 14 inches high. The model 110 is 18 inches high. They both can be ordered with an optional sprayer to save water.
Before trying the sealand we tried the Bravura and several other thetford models - they would not fit in the exisiting space. The flange modification was fairly simple. We are pleased with the toilet and grateful that we didn't have to modify the existing space! It is available in white and bone.
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Old 11-15-2003, 01:08 AM   #7
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bravura, BRAVO!

The FIRST mod my wife said I had to make was get "a more comfortable throne." So Bravura it was. It is a bit longer in front, which seemed to fit me so much better when sitting (getting gross, I know! )

Anyway, I did have to hack abit at the back shelf behind the toilet lid to let the lid go all the way up, otherwise it balances on your back when sitting. Be careful if you do this though, there are two water lines behind that shelf. Thank God I didn't plunge too deep with the Dremel. Search "Bravura" and you should find my pictorial on changing the toliet. By the way, you can control how much water you want in the Bravura's bowl. Press the pedal part way, and water flows in - push it all the way and you get the water plus the flange opens. No smells that I've noticed also.
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Old 11-15-2003, 06:21 PM   #8
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OK, here's where I am now...

I bought a Bravura at Camping World, a demo model (although not used for it's intended purpose ) at a discount, but I'm taking it back. I don't think it will fit right without hacking the hidden cabinet door, plus I finally managed to fix the old toilet.

Turns out it was the vacuum breaker, and the black seal-thingy had pretty much disintegrated - I made a new one out of a grommet and some rubber washer of uncertain parentage.

Since then, in reading further, I've become convinced that the Sealand Traveler Lite is the way to go. But try and find one around here! Jee-man-eee Christmas! You'd think that a china toilet that's better than the plastic one and about the same price would sell like hotcakes!

If I can find a Sealand, I'll get it. Other than that, I'm gonna stay with the Thetford Aqua Whatever for a while.

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Old 11-15-2003, 06:32 PM   #9
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Don - you can order the the sealand lite online from www.pplmotorhomes.com They also have downloadable specsheets complete - very handy. We tried every thetford model we could convince out local dealer to rv order - none of them fit. The Sealand Lite does and it seems well built. Ask your local dealer about ordering you one - ours was willing but they did not carry sealand products ordinarily so it took about 2 weeks to arrive.
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Old 11-16-2003, 12:51 AM   #10
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Well, the Thetford Aqua Thingamajobber is back in and not leaking. ...and I'm here to tell you that skinning your knuckles while you're working on a toilet that just got back from some serious Heavy Duty Use in Mexico doesn't give one a very comfortable feeling.

What's the deal with the base ring and the low profile Sealands? How do I go about changing the existing flange to take four bolts??

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I'm not sure about the bolt pattern of the Sealand, but when I took off my toilet, there was a flange that could accept studs in about five/six different areas - the holes were slotted - I think that should give you enough room to put four studs on in the areas needed.

In the photo, each "dark spot" around the flange is a slot for a stud.

Rubber gloves make the install much more sanitary too!
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Dang! My flange only has two slots, so I'm gonna have to dig up a new flange.

The story of my life....

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well maybe not... Our flange appeared to be a 2 bolt as well but it was easy to modify:

1. Remove the retaining screws on either side of the 2 exisitng bolts.
2. Rotate the flange counter clockwise so that the existing holes are moved 1/8th of the way around the center hole. This should line them up with the sealand base holes.
3. Add new bolts in the 2 missing bolt positions - you may see dimpled areas in you flange where they will go.
4. Drill new holes for retaining screws on either side of new bolts and replace/install all 8 retaining screws. They add rigidity and are important. Continue installation.
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Old 11-19-2003, 09:48 PM   #14
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I'm planning to do the change-out this weekend if I have time. Failing that, I'll have several days over Thanksgiving.

I got my new Sealand locally (Phoenix) for just over $150!! It's actually cheaper than a plastic Thetford! Woo-hoo! Looks like it's pretty well made, too!

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