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Old 07-09-2008, 04:14 PM   #1
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toilet not holding water

Over the weekend we let our son and a bunch of friends use our Argosy. It's set up at a permanent site. Obviously he didn't instruct the girls on the proper flushing technique because when my daughter arrived she said the bowl was full of paper. She used a pvc pipe to push the paper down, but now the toilet won't hold water in the bowl and of course it stinks. I got some paper out that was stuck in the little crack around the opening. I believe this is where the flap goes into when it closes. Is it permanently damaged and need to be replaced? Also, if it does, will the higher toilets fit in there or does the little area behind the toilet get in the way? Thanks
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:23 PM   #2
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Sounds to me that there is still some "debris" (probably toilet paper) in the slot that the valve flap slides into. Step on the pedal to open it up and really clean out the slot with some water pressure.
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:31 PM   #3
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I'd use a johnny-mop, old bottle brush, or WEAR GLOVES and use an OLD toothbrush (OR you could make a point of using your son's toothbrush) with soft bristles and clean off the gasket that seals against the valve in the bowl or the toilet.

If a PVC pipe was used to push the paper down, it is entirely possible that the hard pipe damaged that soft gasket and it may need to be replaced.

KIDS - what would we do without them?
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:32 PM   #4
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Thanks for the quick response. I thought maybe that was the case too. I know it sounds gross but I felt around with my hand and couldn't feel any, but maybe I missed some. What should I use for the water pressure. A hose? We'll be going down this weekend. So we'll try. My husband said he was going to take it apart to see if he could fix it. It's a pain to have to fix things but I'll take one of these over those newer, other brands any day!
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Old 07-09-2008, 04:35 PM   #5
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You could use a garden hose or the sprayer if your toilet is equipped with one. A two-gallon tank garden-sprayer might give you enough pressure too.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:48 PM   #6
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Bend a thin necked flat bladed screw driver to 90 degrees and clean the slot out.

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A bent coat hanger would work good.
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Old 07-10-2008, 12:29 AM   #8
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I'll try you guys suggestions this weekend when we're there. If the soft gasket needs replaced can we do it ourselves?Where can we located one? Needless to say, I don't think we're going to have another one of those kids weekends again at least not without a full page of instructions. Steve and Susan, I like that spending money on ourselves for a change. Irene
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Those gaskets can be pretty touchy...cleaning it out may very well do the trick...ours got a little dirty once and after cleaning the gasket where the slider valve fits into it it holds water again. (I used a wooden tooth pick.) I hope your daughter didn't force the paper down the toilet without opening the valve...that would be a bad thing.

And for your sake, let's hope those girls did put anything ELSE down the toilet!
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The manufacturer of your toilet probably has a website that can point you at a local dealer who should carry parts. We had to replace an anti-siphon valve on ours and got it from a dealer in Michigan. Ours is a Sea-Land, but Thetford and others make RV toilets.

Comments from our kids when we bought our AS three years ago included - how can you guys afford THAT? The answer - "We're not paying YOUR college tuition, food, water and electricity bills anymore". When they moved out, the water bill went down by 2/3 and the electricity bill by half.
Food is now a fraction of what it was. We still do get the occasional emergence cash call though and are glad to help out.
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Old 07-10-2008, 09:07 AM   #11
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After you get what all you can see out of the gasket / flap Assembly, get some toilet lube to coat the gasket.

I had a leaky bowl (not holding water) a few years ago and after the lube, it was fine.
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Yeah, I hope they didn't put anything else down there either. Our valve stays open to the septic though since we are on a permanent site. The toothpick might work and the toilet lube is a good idea. Our toilet is an old theford galaxy/starlite model, probably the original. I went on line and they said they didn't make certain parts for them anymore, the flap being one of them. The one part I did see cost $135, so a new toilet would be the smart way to go. We just bought this last year for a cheap price. No one seemed to want it because it was old, they went for the new more expensive ones in the park, but we love it! (Steve and Susan, we say that too but I'm a softy, we're trying not to be enablers anymore. They are getting better and the funny thing is they don't resent it)
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(I'm looking for where it says the son is taking care of this problem he created?)
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Our valve stays open to the septic though since we are on a permanent site.
You may want to think about closing your flush valve. If you leave it open only the liquids run out and the solids remain which will end up clogging the tank.

If you need a gasket or other small part for the Galaxy let me know before you trash it. I have a box of misc. parts that came from ebay - I'm sure there's some duplicates in there....
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