i was looking at david winick's latest project, a 50 flying cloud and noticed there was just a toilet stall and couldn't see a shower on the floor plan. so i emailed him and asked him where he put the shower, he replied and said he thought it would take up too much space, so he didn't put one in. SO, it got me thinking of not having a shower and i wanted to pose the question to get feedback and opinions.
on one hand, i'd pick up some floor space in my flying cloud. on the other i would be resolved to using shower facilities wherever i would be staying (which can be gross) and i do plan on doing a fair amount of boondocking. i could just do an exterior shower but that can make a mess on the ground and then you have the whole gray water on the ground police to deal with.
maybe i've answered my own question, but since i've already wrote this post, would i be crazy to eliminate the inside shower? would it be a worthwhile tradeoff to pick up more living space? how often are you really using your shower in the trailer?
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My 68 Trade Wind has a shower of sorts. Its not super comfortable. It certainly is not good for long showers. On the whole, its pretty lame.
That is until I am out boondocking, or staying at a place like Yellowstone... then that puppy is 4 star luxury. In fact, it is far and away my favorite feature under those circumstances. When I get around to it, and can afford it, I will be upping the grey water tank and maybe the fresh water tank in order to take advantage of showers more when boondocking. I forget how much of a rebuild you are doing, but this is something to consider.
Guess it depends upon how well your nose works... or those you may be traveling with... I can't imagine taking a shower (hosing down), outside during the fall & winter months... heck with the grey water patrol! Besides, the grey water is a good source of rinse for the black water line...
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Being 6' 4" I find using the shower a challenge, not to mention hard to clean. I now use the shower for storage and plan to eliminate it when I re-model. An outdoor shower will be installed in it's place. Until then I'll keep using the campground facilities, or when I feel froggy I'll hit the river with a bar of soap.
Have you considered the other alternative of a wet bath? I've always thought of it as odd to sit on the toilet and shower, but it certainly combines to necessary features into one space. You could always set it up as a wet bath and only use the shower when a suitable alternative is not available.
How about a 'wet' bath?
I had one back in the '70s in a SOB Coachman TT.
I thought was a very good idea, and found it very usable.
Never really understood why so many dislike them.
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I guess Im not clear on the wet bath concept. My 68 has a shower but you could easily sit on the toliet and lean over into the shower area to do your hair. Is that the same thing?
The main reason I have the Airstream is for the shower and the refrigerator. Most of my use is boondocking in NFS campgrounds that have pit toilets, and no showers. I like to camp for a longer period than any black holding tank could accomodate, so we always just use the NFS toilets. I use water from the campground spigots to fill the fresh water tank in the trailer, and use the trailer water heater for showers and meal time clean up. Driniking water is carried in separate containers in the truck (I experienced giardia once from a campground spigot - never again!). As the gray water tank fills up, I empty it into a 5 gallon container and dispose of it either in the pit toilets or back in the trees, depending on campgroung policy.
The upside of this approach is I never have to empty a black holding tank. The downside is sometimes having to hike to the campground facilities in the middle of the night.
Sometimes we end up in 'real' campgrounds with hook ups, and then we use the shower facilities provided by the campground. If staying at a campground for the first time, it is OK to inspect the bath rooms before deciding to stay there or not.
Guess the bottom line is that it all depends on how you like to camp, and what you are comfortable with!
that's what i currently have planned is a wet bath, toilet and the shower pan next to it. truth is now that i look at it again, i wouldn't pick up that much space by eliminating the shower because you still need room for the toilet.
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maybe i've answered my own question, but since i've already wrote this post, would i be crazy to eliminate the inside shower? would it be a worthwhile tradeoff to pick up more living space? how often are you really using your shower in the trailer?
i've noticed the brand new 'dream streams have exterior showers (some models).
perhaps think about an exterior shower set up...
easy to do...
saves on the interior, and still have the capability...
Urbanfood, is the image of your trailer reversed or did you happen upon some kind of unique trailer with a street side door? I think the idea of getting water all over the toilet is bizarre, how long does it take to dry all that off after you shower? I look at our shower as a "just incase", kind of like a fire extinguisher. Nice to know it's there incase I need it, but not relying on it to camp with.
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