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08-17-2008, 10:58 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 23' Safari
Portland
, Oregon
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Thetford Style II vs. Sealand Traveller Lite
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08-17-2008, 11:24 AM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
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I saw one replacement toilet in a 76 TW that blocked access to the bathroom closet. Something to think about...
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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08-17-2008, 11:25 AM
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2007 25' Safari FB SE
1958 22' Flying Cloud
1974 29' Ambassador
Yucca Valley
, California
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: 1963 26' Overlander
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ronstory
[*]Any thought on how much work is needed ot the flange conversion is on Sealand 4 bolt flange?[*]How much the universal flange kit adds to the height?[/LIST]All comments appreciated. [/SIZE]
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Remove toilet, unscrew old toilet flange from top of tank, replace with new 4-bolt toilet flange, if even needed.
No height difference.
If the old toilet flange has 4 holes, you won't need to do a thing.
Some of the original toilets had a plug in teh top casing that you can remove to access the rear bolt..with a socket and extensions.
A possible problem is that the old flange might be very stubborn towards removal. And, you might crack the black tank if you aren't careful.
I have successfully used Sealand porcelain toilets on projects. I do not feel the need to explore other brands at this time, the Sealands work so well, and alre easy to clean. Very little plastic on them. None where it counts.
Good luck with your replacement.
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08-17-2008, 11:44 AM
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2002 25' Safari
Dewey
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Speaking of toilets.
I am missing one of the rubber pads on the bottom of the seat. If anyone is going to toss a Thetford Aqua Magic, I could use one of those pads. The parts pages at Thetford do not show the pads and I do not need a new seat.
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Wally Byam Airstream Club 7513
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08-17-2008, 12:42 PM
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1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
OlyPen
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We also used the Sealand and are still happy with it. The old toilet had 2 bolts and the new one is set for 2 or 4. We rotated the old flange to meet the new bolt pattern and used a 2 bolt set up. We didn't use the universal adapter.
The seat that came with the traveler lite (a few years ago) was cheap flimsy plastic. But a standard household toilet seat fit and was an easy replacement.
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08-17-2008, 12:48 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines
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We installed the Sealand lite in our 1973 23' Safari.
4 issues
1. It is higher than normal
2. Flange, but adapters make it work (it adds 5/8 in to the height)
3. It is too long at the back and I had to get creative and indent a portion of the back wall to allow it to fit.
4 The flush pedal on the front left sits to far to the left. I had to shorten its mounting bracket so the plastic pedal could be installed and removed if needed without hitting the wall. I have pics somewhere if you want to see the mods.
The sealand works great once installed.
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08-17-2008, 12:53 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 23' Safari
Portland
, Oregon
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Richard... when I toss the toilet, the rubber feet are yours... as well as the rest of the toilet.
Ron
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08-17-2008, 12:55 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 23' Safari
Portland
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Going out to do more measurements....
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08-17-2008, 01:21 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 23' Safari
Portland
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OK... here's the scoop
Center of flange to left wall 10.5"
Center of flange to back wall 10.5"
Center of flange to right bath cabinet 11.5"
Front of current toilet to back wall 19.375"
Backrest / secret compat door sticks out 1" from rear wall
Backrest / secret compat door bottom to floor 13.25"
Closet door clearance @ 6" open - dooredge to rear wall is 21" (Thank's Richard for reminding me of that dimension)
... now to look at the diagrams again.
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08-17-2008, 01:28 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 23' Safari
Portland
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08-17-2008, 01:44 PM
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1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
OlyPen
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PPL has a lot of info on their website - maybe you can find what you need here. They have a large collection of schematics. RV Toilets, Holding Tanks & Sanitation
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08-17-2008, 05:15 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 23' Safari
Portland
, Oregon
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OK... got distracted by some silicone I missed before...
Back to the toilet... the current Aqua Magic GL is about 19.5 longs and tucks right up to the rear wall. If I use the new Style II, it will give me about 0.75" more room in the back and move the front forward about 1.25" forward, which should allow the closet door to still open. Now the problem is that it's 3.5" taller... which will interfer with opening the secret compartment door... and I'll probably need a build a platform to put one's feet on. (sigh)
Life is never simple.
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08-17-2008, 06:55 PM
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We put a Style II in our Sovereign (high profile), a caveat is that the plumbing standards have changed in the last 30+ years. You will need to change the fitting from the pipe to the toilet (for any new toilet).
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08-17-2008, 07:16 PM
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2002 25' Safari
Dewey
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My closet door clears the toilet by almost 3 inches, you should be fine. I did not find out about the secret door until about a year after I bought the trailer. Went down a bumpy dirt road and it opened up. The PO left me a nice plastic mug from ghost ranch. Thanks Ken...
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08-17-2008, 08:55 PM
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1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver
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What is this secret door you speak of?
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08-17-2008, 09:19 PM
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1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
OlyPen
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cameront120
What is this secret door you speak of?
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A tempting opening....
Some trailers had a small compartment directly above the throne with a door, hinged at the bottom. The door on ours looks a lot like the wall or like it might just be a plate covering plumbing. Many folks have cut into this section to install a new toilet.
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08-17-2008, 09:44 PM
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Site Team
2002 25' Safari
Dewey
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A look into my secret compartment.
Q-Tips, a 12 volt curling iron (my wifes) and Ken's - I mean my Ghost Ranch cup.
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08-17-2008, 10:20 PM
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1972 25' Tradewind
North Vancouver
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I see. Mine has a wet bath and the compartment behind the toilet has a very conspicuous lid on top of it.
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North Vancouver, BC
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08-17-2008, 11:28 PM
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Rivet Master
1983 34' Excella
1967 24' Tradewind
Little Rock
, Arkansas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by azflycaster
A look into my secret compartment.
Q-Tips, a 12 volt curling iron (my wifes) and Ken's - I mean my Ghost Ranch cup.
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Mmmmm,
Yeah, I want to keep my cup right above the toilette!
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08-17-2008, 11:29 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1975 23' Safari
Portland
, Oregon
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Ok... it'ls looking like I might need to take a risk and try the Style II and report back. Worse case, I'll cast it off to another forum member and I'll try the Sealand.
Thanks to all for the help and opinions.
Richard... if you still want the rubber feet for the "lid"... PM me.
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