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Old 02-11-2019, 08:34 PM   #15
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I don't get this. Not having camped someplace without services for two weeks, but at least one. The biggest problem first becomes lack of fresh water. About 55% might go to the gray tank. Maybe 20% tops to the black tank. The rest, is consumed. The blank tank is the least concern.

Fresh water is by far the biggest limiting factor.
It's a lot easier to haul in fresh water than to haul out waste water.
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:56 AM   #16
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I suppose that unless you have been exposed to the how-to *waste disposal* (only need a shovel) means in the back-country, a CT is a bewildering idea for many.

Water is the limiting factor. We carry this in our tool arsenal for our full-time AS lifestyle. Or, perhaps we just want to live *unplugged* at this stage of our lives...preppers at heart. In case of the zombie apocalypse we are self-sufficient in our silver conestoga wagon. As long as we can find water and fill our Berkey filter with pond scum we’’l survive!

AQUATANK2 Water Storage Bladder (60 Gallon) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009ONFDEM..._d6RyCbFZDKV6E
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Old 02-12-2019, 10:26 AM   #17
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I suppose that unless you have been exposed to the how-to *waste disposal* (only need a shovel) means in the back-country, a CT is a bewildering idea for many.

Water is the limiting factor. We carry this in our tool arsenal for our full-time AS lifestyle. Or, perhaps we just want to live *unplugged* at this stage of our lives...preppers at heart. In case of the zombie apocalypse we are self-sufficient in our silver conestoga wagon. As long as we can find water and fill our Berkey filter with pond scum we’’l survive!

AQUATANK2 Water Storage Bladder (60 Gallon) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009ONFDEM..._d6RyCbFZDKV6E
60 gallons water= 501lbs...there goes the payload! We always carry 2 "empty" 5 gal water containers with us; we purchased 4 of them and use to carry them as they "lock" onto each other, but now days we only take 2 along. We have found 10-20 gallons refill after 5-7 days works fine for our needs. We also carry 3 gal container of fresh inside the AS for coffee and drinking water. When we boondock and run out of fresh water, it's not a hassle to fill the containers up and replenish the fresh tank. Most state parks and BLM campgrounds have fresh water and a bathroom or pit toilets, which we use as needed. We can go 8-10 days before we need to empty the black tank if no toilets around. We do run the gray out sometimes while boondocking in the desert or the outback via a gray water hose connected to the sewer cap...works fine for us.
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60 gallons water= 501lbs...there goes the payload!

@gyspydad - we have this to fetch water and use gravity to completely fill the fresh water tank when empty. Fetch water - fill tank. No lifting a 50+ pound jerry can to fill the tank. Bladder folds up to a small size. It is much smaller than a jerry can, and weighs next to nothing when empty. We do not haul water in the AQUATANK2 when towing the AS. Our truck can easily handle the 500lb+ payload.

We learned having a water bladder is a great idea because of traveling with our horses. Fetching water becomes an absolute necessity when camping with horses. It’s easy to water horses using a water bladder, so why not the humans? The AQUATANK2 is rated for drinking water.
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@gyspydad - we have this to fetch water and use gravity to completely fill the fresh water tank when empty. Fetch water - fill tank. No lifting a 50+ pound jerry can to fill the tank. Bladder folds up to a small size. It is much smaller than a jerry can, and weighs next to nothing when empty. We do not haul water in the AQUATANK2 when towing the AS. Our truck can easily handle the 500lb+ payload.

We learned having a water bladder is a great idea because of traveling with our horses. Fetching water becomes an absolute necessity when camping with horses. It’s easy to water horses using a water bladder, so why not the humans? The AQUATANK2 is rated for drinking water.
Interesting idea. My 5 gal water containers weigh around 40lbs each when full and at least today, I can manage them fine. I usually will fill them only when I need to so not an issue for me yet. I don't have to deal with horses, but makes sense using the larger container. Hadn't seen these before...I see they have several sizes; thanks.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:23 PM   #20
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Had to wait until the wind picked up agin to test out the 4” end cap vent solution. I feel that it worked well as the 25 MPH winds did not blow back into the bathroom with it installed. $3.00 solution!

Without the wind and a day later there was a slight compost smell in the bathroom so the testing continues. Planning to double up on the fan to put more of an airflow out of the toilet.
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I have had the NH for the past 5 months - so I'm still finding out new things to watch out for. My install was also a modification from the norm in that we pipe the urine back into the black tank, which is merged with the gray for a total capacity of 65 gallons. Hence I don't have to deal with a 2-gallon bottle of urine every 2 days or so.

The fresh water supply (55gallons) last a lot longer as none of it is being used to flush the waste. I carry a couple of 5-gallon plastic jugs which I fill with fresh water whenever I find a spigot of potable water. Using a 4-foot aluminum step ladder, I perch a full 5-gallon jug on top of the ladder, then attach a short hose from the jug into the fresh water fill and let gravity do its job.
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I have thought about piping the urine tank into the black tank but could not figure out a foolproof way to keep the black tank smell from coming back into the urine tank. How did you plumb this?
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I don't have a NH toilet and don't know what I'm talking about.

Seems to me if I was plumbing a sewer line to a sewer holding tank, I would incorporate a trap in the line, even if it was a 3/4" hose. Just a little sideways "S" in the line somewhere. That would seal off fumes from the tank to the NH canister.

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The urine is piped directly down without any trap using 3/8-inch plastic pipe. There is a horizonal "S" in the line, as it needs to flow through the plug placed in the waste pipe from the original toilet (which is otherwise sealed). There is no discernable odor because the fan draws air out of the NH (including both the bin and the bowl when the cover is closed).

The keys to the success in using the NH is to make sure that:

1 - the coconut coir is barely moistened (too wet will create issues)

2 - there is air flow through the NH with the fan and exhaust tubing as the composting function produces moisture

3 - make absolutely sure that urine does not enter the solids bin
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