Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-11-2009, 02:21 PM   #15
Rivet Master

 
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami , Florida
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,650
Blog Entries: 13
Hi,

I read this years ago:

Macerators and Other Sewage Stuff by phred

Good gouge on poo.

I use Eco-Save or Pure Power, both of which are bacterial treatments. No problems (knock on wood) in years...

mike
__________________

__________________
n2916s is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2009, 03:03 PM   #16
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toronto_Guy View Post
...bad smells from the black tank are making their way into the Airstream.

I will spare you the details of my investigation, but suffice it to say that the smells are coming out through the rear of the toilet housing...
hi guy

withOUT the details

the replies aren't very useful OR on point.

POST PICTURES of the odor n stuff...

the toilet is attached with 2 bolts, one on each SIDE.

over TIME and travel and humidity changes the gasket, or floor may settle some...

and the 2 bolts can work loose too (probably caused by over hitching and UN balanced running gear)

these MAY need snugging, but even TIGHTer the toilet tends to...

ROCK fore/aft, so the donut gasket may still NOT fully seal.

and HEAVY users can ROCK it looser.
___________

it is possible ( ok, probable ) that the factory assembly did NOT correctly seat the gasket OR kinked the gasket...

i have personally disassembled one new unit built WITHOUT a donut gasket thingie.
___________

while the head is in close quarters, it IS simple to remove/inspect and re install...

but ORDER another donut, so it is IN HAND during the process.

and YOU can do this, but the WARRANTY covers crap like this too...

pics, we want pics, and scratchnsniff is now part of camera raw image capture.

cheers
2air'
__________________

__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2009, 07:14 PM   #17
Rivet Master
 
dkottum's Avatar
 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,716
Those fans are powerful and a source of supply air is necessary. If you have no windows or a door open, they may be able to pull air from the black or gray tank vent on the roof down through the tanks, and up through the kitchen, bath, or shower drain traps (possibly emptying one of them of water). A good guess would be the shower trap as you seem to smell the odor near the toilet base.

Be sure an air source is open BEFORE turning on the fan.
__________________
dkottum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2009, 08:08 PM   #18
Rivet Master
 
Diesel1's Avatar
 
1967 24' Tradewind
Wickenburg , Arizona
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 546
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikethefixit View Post
Besides trying all of the above. Try buying 10 lbs of ice and dumping down the toilet just before departing on a trip, add some water so you get movement of the ice. Upon arrivial at destination immediatley dump black tank. Id bet you get dirty stinky water.
Roger
On our old 67 the first few uses we had oder problems, long story short we did what Mike suggested with the ice. That worked ,we have no more oder problems. Adios, John
__________________
Diesel1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2009, 08:52 PM   #19
Rivet Master<br><img src="/ugala/forums/images/5rivet.gif">
 
CanoeStream's Avatar

 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
St. Cloud , Minnesota
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 13,279
Images: 19
Blog Entries: 3
Poo keepsie posts a' rolling!

"probably caused by over hitching and UN balanced running gear" may be as close as anything.

Ground control is going to wait for Major Tom to dial us in tomorrow. Take two nose plugs and call me in the morning.
__________________
Bob

5 meter Langford Nahanni

CanoeStream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-11-2009, 09:17 PM   #20
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
i see the o.p. is at fort wilderness...

FW is basically an old mangrove swamp...

so there is LOTS of black water outside/around the trailers and in the LOW spots ...

__________

yeah those fantastic fans are really powerful suckers...

just last week i noticed the mouse fur PEELING off the walls while using a fan on exhaust mode...

before cracking open a window.

my units got 3 of them and depending on which direction and speed setting they are turned to, i can...

-vacuum the bedroom or lounge...

-un plug clogged drains

-wash the dishes

-open or close the windows

-drain the holding tanks into the atmosphere

-dry laundry

-inflate the tires

-LEVEL the trayla

-whip egg whites

and so on.

right now i'm working on a way to TRAVEL in the trailer without a tow vehicle, using the fantastic fans.

turing RIGHT is the only problem left 2 solve.

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 05:06 AM   #21
Rivet Master
 
Gene's Avatar
 
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction , Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 10,840
2air, if you suck all the air out of the trailer with the fans, it will be lighter than air. In fact, you may have to weight it down so it doesn't drag your TV into the ionosphere.

Once you get it balanced a few inches above the ground, your TV gas mileage should increase dramatically.

Gene
__________________
Gene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 06:15 PM   #22
2 Rivet Member
 
2011 25' FB International
Toronto , Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 57
Thanks for the advice everyone.

So far, the only thing that I have done differently from other (non smelly) is switch to an eco friendly black tank deodorizer.

Also, half the exterior of my AS was replaced after it was damaged in a wind storm last spring. In my AS, the toilet and shower are both in the rear. The corner where the toilet is was the most heavily damaged. Depending on how much work they had to do in the interior, the toilet might have had to be removed and then put back.

Come to think of it, the vent cap on the black tank stack was half snapped off in the storm as well, and had to be replaced.

As for some of the other points;

Even when I am on full hookups, I never leave the grey or black water tank valves open. I dump the grey every night, and the black after it is about 2/3 full.

Also, I only run the fantastic vents when I have a window or two open.

The smell is not from the grey tank. I can feel the airflow coming from the sides of the toilet at the back. Since the toilet is mostly hollow, I think the air must be getting in through the seal to the floor, and working it's way up through the inside of the toilet.

I'll try picking up some less than eco friendly deodorizer, and report back!

I like the advice about properly flushing the tank though. I've already done it a few times, and the (identical) smell keeps coming back... so something foul must be stuck to the sides or the top of the tank.

As for Fort Wilderness, we have a premium site... and it will really spoil us for going back to our usual camping spots closer to home. Why can't more billion dollar corporations open up parks???????? ;-)
__________________
Toronto_Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 07:17 PM   #23
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
why don't you just TELL US what black tank product is being used?

good grief.

IF it is a bacterial/enzyme base, COLD water/weather will greatly limit it's bio activity....

and based on THAT MISSING bit of relevant info (damage/repairs)...

it is ALSO likely the black tank, chute, donut, or toilet aren't well attached,

or have separated somewhere in the closed loop during TRAVEL after these repairs.

because AIR should not enter the lav area around the toilet...

even with 10 F fans running full on.

there are WAY too many other leaky spots for air to enter (like the fridge vent)

thus avoiding a vacuum collapse event...

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 08:14 PM   #24
2 Rivet Member
 
2011 25' FB International
Toronto , Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 57
I was using a Thetford branded enviro-friendly granulated product called "Supreme Green." Upon closer inspection of the bag, it doesn't actually make any claims to deodorize the tank! :-O

I ran out to the park "Trading Post," and luckily they had a supply of the less than enviro friendly Thetford stuff. If it is not "known by the State of California to cause cancer," it's no good apparently. ;-)

Sorry if I left out some details in my original post. I've been trying to post and deal with the kids at the same time. Too many distractions. Plus, living in fear of that fantastic fan pulling my trailer inside out and all... ;-)

At least I provided fodder for a few fantastic fan jokes and a Leafs joke (low blow by the way).

I was actually just trying to get a gauge of how easy it would be to take the toilet apart, and whether or not this was something I'd want to do on vacation. I've installed toilets in houses quite a few times, but I have no experience with them in RV's.

Or am I just mistaken in assuming that there should be no air leakage except when I am actually flushing the toilet?

Thanks again to those that offered advice.

Cheers.
__________________
Toronto_Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2009, 08:48 PM   #25
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
ok u r forgiven...

we're just jealous about not being camped in FW and sharing ALL of those theme park germs...

the toilet is VERY easy to remove, 2 bolts.

and NO there should not be ANY air leaking/around the base IF properly installed.

lots of other places for leaks in the trailer,

and the trap door valve can leak, but the clue to that is when it doesn't hold water well.

now dis-assembly of the toilet is MORE complex/time consuming than simply removing it.

and IF you don't have replacement parts at hand, there's no point in doing that.

with full hook ups so handy, i'd consider keeping the black tank 3/4 full with WATER...

then only the floaters will stink...

cheers
2air'

btw i think FW has a 10 pm curfew on using F fans...

and having replaced/installed the toilet 3 times, EACH time was a vacation of sorts...
__________________

__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What is that smell coming from my furnace??? 6kitties Furnaces, Heaters, Fireplaces & Air Conditioning 4 09-08-2009 10:39 PM
Bad Smell popeyedoyle1 Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 9 04-07-2006 09:45 AM
Help, where's that smell coming from M&M CAPECOD General Repair Forum 28 07-01-2005 01:11 PM
Bad water smell taste OakHill Fresh Water Systems 5 10-07-2003 12:10 PM
Bad cabin smell from new Solar instalation w9det 2001 Safari 7 04-21-2003 11:21 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:01 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.