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Old 10-07-2003, 07:28 AM   #15
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That's what the folks at the Airstream factory told me they would be doing in all new trailers. One combined holding tank. Personally, I like having them separate.
Just to revisit the issue,

Has anyone heard the latest spill on what Airstream is doing as far as combining the grey and black water tanks?

I will be doing some rear bellypan work here soon and am considering installing one large tank just as they have supposedly been debating.

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Old 10-07-2003, 10:28 AM   #16
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We're new to RV ing but in the 5 times we've been out with our AS only once did we find "full hook ups" to include also sewer.
Most campsites say full hook ups but then give you only water & electric at the site, the dump station is somehwere in the campground.

This is a problem when you have everything in one tank.

As everybody else we fill the grey much faster than the black (actually we never filled the black...) and that's not because we are very careful. I use regular dishes most of the time so our grey builds fast, also we try to avoid using public bathrooms as much as possible therefore our black tank gets used normally.
As expected this past we we were in LI, NY and no sewer was included in our full hookup reservation. After the second night our grey was almost full, with other 2 days to go we got worried. Will we have to hitch the AS again, go to the dump station and then park it and unhitch it, again?!?
Our neighbour, a great guy with a brand new 33' SOB, told us he had the same problem the night before and solved it as follows:
late at night, he opened the grey water valve slightly so that it would trickle, just a few drops at the time, in the morning when he woke up he just closed it again. Guess what? He had an empty grey water tank!!
We did the same and it worked great! Best RV advice so far. There were no puddles or smells, no one noticed anything and it solved our problem.

If you have a combined tank you can't do that! You'll have to move the trailer!
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Old 10-07-2003, 11:00 AM   #17
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Oh, Kimili, you're baaaad, I'm gonna tell on you!

We were surprised to notice the same thing, hookups doesn't always mean sewer hookups, which is funny because really that's the only hookup I REALLY want. Otherwise we have to depend on our 10gal blue tank for grey water storage. However, we made it four whole days dry camping at an astronomy party, we were just very watchful of our water and used paper plates.

Ah, you guys with grey tanks, I'm still a little jealous...
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Old 10-07-2003, 11:07 AM   #18
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While boondocking, pulling the grey water tank is a common practice before leaving to help reduce weights when we know that no dump station is nearby or on the way home.

In some non rural and even some rural areas, you gotta be careful when you release the grey tank. Some places do get VERY nasty if they find out you've done it......

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Old 10-07-2003, 12:38 PM   #19
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Otherwise we have to depend on our 10gal blue tank for grey water
What is it exactly? Is it an external tank? a handheld unit like the ones for gasoline?
Are they the ones camping world sells for $175??!!

Paper plates are good for BBQ and sandwiches. I'm also an assistant Chef, my meals need good china and I just can't have wine out of a paper cup!!

Enjoying gourmet meals in our AS is one of the great pleasures of our trips. Especially after a whole day kayaking or hiking.

Guess we need a 20-30 gallon one!!
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Old 10-07-2003, 12:45 PM   #20
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I have a small 10 or 12 gallon grey tank, added on by the previous owner.
Although it's relatively useless for boondocking because of it's small size, it is quite nice to have so one can wash up or even take a quick shower at a rest stop.
I would be fine with a large single tank for grey and black, I believe that more water in the black tank would definitely make it flush much better. It would have to be 50 or 60 gal or so, to make it work.
If and when we do open the grey line to the outside world while boondocking, we take care to just have the cleanest grey water possible, like shower water and strained dish water. We would not want to leave foodscraps near a tree for the next camper.
I usually call the campground we are going to visit and make sure they have a sewer hookup for our site.
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Old 10-07-2003, 01:37 PM   #21
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Selective grey dump

This thread got me thinking (imagine that!). My '71 Overlander has no grey tank, and I'm guilty of using the dribble method. In places where this isn't acceptable (ie: can't get away with it) I back it up into the black and cringe at dump time. I'm likely to add a small grey tank just to avoid this.

I often need more liquid to adequately purge the black tank. Since I'm new here and don't know y'all anyway, I'll go ahead and lay-out the scatalogical scenario. For solitary males it works like this: #2 in the black tank, #1 in the great outside -- does wonders for dump intervals.

I grew up in the Southwest US where water is precious, and I can't make myself waste it by just dumping fresh stuff down the toilet. It occurs that, if I add a Y aft of my new grey tank, I could select whether to dump it alone when it fills first, or send it's contents through the black tank, thus eking the last possible value from my old soapy water.

Thoughts?
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Old 10-07-2003, 02:04 PM   #22
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It is possible to do simple things that do not require a lot of water, such as washing hands, or rinsing out cups, without a grey tank. The plumbing itself will hold several gallons. Just have a 5 gallon bucket handy, when you take the cap off. Or, get one of those caps with a garden hose type connection. Leave the cap "a little loose", and it will slowly drain out in transit.
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I had the unfortunate situation of having to deal with a black tank that had had too much solids and not enough liquids, and so it became, lets say, encrusted over time, until my 12 gallon tank only held about 6 gallons. Ewww. A couple long soaks (two or more weeks at a time) with generous helpings of RID-X seems to have cleaned it out well. From now on we will be more generous with the water! We add a gallon after dumping so there is always some water in there to help keep things moving, and use water generously when we flush. Better than the alternative.

Kimili, The blue tank is a flat blue sealed container with wheels. Ours will slide under the coach. It's easy to disconnect and take to the dump station without having to move the whole trailer. If you had one big enough you could even empty the black tank into it and haul it to the dump station. Some of them hook onto the ball of your tow vehicle for easier moving.

Eric, when we were at the astronomy party the Forest Service had made it quite clear there would be NO dumping of wastewater on the ground. We ended up going without showers. I wouldn't want to be the one who got caught and got the whole group banned from the location! Definitly have to be careful where you dump.
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Blue Tanks in Action.....

here's a pic from a recent rally. there was another truck ahead of us, but he took off too quickly, and the wife couldn't get him into the picture. pretty funny sight..a parade to the dump station from vintage (i.e. "no grey tanks") row!

Anyway, I now carry mine on my spare tire carrier, and ran plumbing to it from the poop-chute in the back....so I have the best (or worst?) of both worlds; for short stays, I have an on-board tank; if I'm staying longer, I can remove it from the spare tire rack and use it as it was intended. (we seem to be able to go pretty far with the black tank; the grey, we seem to fill up quickly for some reason. )
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Old 10-07-2003, 02:40 PM   #25
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Thumbs up No gray tank here either!

I love it!!! Great picture...

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Cool pic!
When boondocking and until we become better RV ers "We need one of those blue tanks!"
...don't know where to store it though...

To Stephanie,
We never dump the black tank in the open! Only in proper dump stations.
Our grey water is only soap and water (we use natural soaps/biodegradeble), no food or other sort of scraps, we have filters on every drain: kitchen, bathroom and shower. We're very careful and clean them regularly.

I don't think a little grey water on a grassy patch will kill anything, but we'll avoid it as much as possible and won't do it where it's absolutely forbidden. Thanks for the advice
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They are great and available in different sizes, just keep in mind that the larger it is, the heavier it is when full thus harder to manipulate. We only take ours with us when we know we won't have full hook-ups and just put it in either the truck or trailer. BTW, we only it for grey water, although I know some folks also use it for emptying black.

Here's a link to them on the Camping World site.

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well, mine is 11" high with the wheels (9" without), 24 inches wide, and 38" long. its a biggie, though...rides on 4 wheels. (mine is the blue dodge in the pic; you can see how it rides flat on the 4 wheels...good thing, too, cuz you'd never be able to lift it when its full). The guy in front of me has a smaller one, light enough so that the front end can be lifted up onto his hitch. mine has a tow-bar type arrangement.

It takes up alot of room in the back of the pickup truck, though, which is part of the reason that I figured out a way to carry it on the trailer's spare tire carrier. (I don't have a spare tire..so I'm not missing out on anything there).

I didn't think there was enough room at first, because I had never actually stuck my head under the front of the trailer to look. when I did, I saw that they had actually removed the belly skin in that area to make room for a tire to stick up in the resulting cavity. So I took some measurements, brought them to my boss, who made this nifty 3-d model, to see if the bulky blue boy would actually fit in this oddly shaped space created by the front framework of the trailer.
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