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Old 08-10-2008, 07:11 PM   #1
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Waste drain trickle?

Thanks to resolution to many leaks, our plumbing system is now in order on our 1970 Safari.

The last owner put a permanent fitting in the waste drain, so a universal waste drain cap won't fit and it is just open, but with the valve closed.

Since there is no cap as of yet, we noticed a trickle of waste, (just gray water -- haven't had the guts to use the toilet yet) coming out of our waste drain whenever we turn the water on. When we open the valve, all drains just fine.

Is this trickle normal, even with the valve closed? Seems like it would gradually collect behind a cap and then be a yucky mess when you remove the cap to hook up the drain valve. Any suggestions?
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Old 08-10-2008, 07:41 PM   #2
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It's not normal...the seal at the valve is probably leaking...it may be stuck slightly open or it may be a little dried out... Before you tear it apart to replace, you might try some valve seal treatment to "plump" up the seal...Here's one product form Camping World: TST¬ģ Drain Valve Lube - 16 oz. - Camping World Here's another: Thetford Drain Valve Lubricant - 20 oz. - Camping World

It's worth a try...Good luck!
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Old 08-10-2008, 08:24 PM   #3
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Thanks. I'm plumbing illiterate... have to have professional help with the leak repairs...

I will try the lubricant. If the valve does need replacing, is it a bear to do, or not so much?
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Well, I'd certainly try the lube treatment before more drastic measures...and you probably should do both grey and black tanks just to make sure...

I have not done a valve replacement myself (thankfully)...if the valve is outside the belly pan on your model that would make it easier because you don't have to drop the belly pan then... others will know how difficult it really is...but this is one of those jobs that sometimes it's just better to have someone else do, if you now what I mean... I'm like you...not that plumbing knowledgable in terms of repairs...so if I did it myself I'd not be sure I was doing it correctly.
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Thanks to resolution to many leaks, our plumbing system is now in order on our 1970 Safari.

The last owner put a permanent fitting in the waste drain, so a universal waste drain cap won't fit and it is just open, but with the valve closed.

Since there is no cap as of yet, we noticed a trickle of waste, (just gray water -- haven't had the guts to use the toilet yet) coming out of our waste drain whenever we turn the water on. When we open the valve, all drains just fine.

Is this trickle normal, even with the valve closed? Seems like it would gradually collect behind a cap and then be a yucky mess when you remove the cap to hook up the drain valve. Any suggestions?
Sounds like you need a new cap, unless the collector itself is leaking.

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Old 08-10-2008, 08:53 PM   #6
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Sounds like you need a new cap, unless the collector itself is leaking.

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What kind of cap would you suggest? Attached is a picture of the fitting that somebody installed.
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What kind of cap would you suggest? Attached is a picture of the fitting that somebody installed.
Your photo shows a kmart modification to the original drain setup.

I will post a photo, tomorrow, when I'm at the office, what it should be.

Almost universally, to enjoy an Airstream, for all it's worth, you have to keep it that way.

When someone modifys it, perhaps out of convenience, or to save a few bucks, then the person that is new to Airstreaming, says "HUH".

If someone did that, then there is a loooooong list of other things to check as well.

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Thanks, Andy.
I would appreciate the photo. And you're right -- we've found a few other "Kmart modifications" that we have had to correct as well.

But, on a brighter side, we purchased her in the summer of '06, and now that she's road-worthy, with systems somewhat running, our family has finally been able to enjoy actually taking her on short trips this summer (08). In other words, we're a heck of a lot better off than we were two years ago!
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Thanks, Andy.
I would appreciate the photo. And you're right -- we've found a few other "Kmart modifications" that we have had to correct as well.

But, on a brighter side, we purchased her in the summer of '06, and now that she's road-worthy, with systems somewhat running, our family has finally been able to enjoy actually taking her on short trips this summer (08). In other words, we're a heck of a lot better off than we were two years ago!

As promised, here's the photo, which is our replacement for the original collector, used from 1964 to 1973.

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Thanks Andy.
Looks like we do need this to replace our modified version. I'm still concerned about the trickle which still sounds like the valve needs replacement.

Is the drain collector a difficult component to install?
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Thanks Andy.
Looks like we do need this to replace our modified version. I'm still concerned about the trickle which still sounds like the valve needs replacement.

Is the drain collector a difficult component to install?
The photo does not show the 2" to 1 1/2" adapter for the gray water line.

There are 5 things you should do.

1. Replace the valve.
2. install the collector.
3. Hook up the gray water drain pipe to the collector.
4. Install a new cap.
5. Have a beer.

No, none of the above is difficult, unless your out of beer.

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I thought that this year would not have a grey tank and the grey water normally flows freely out the waste outlet. Am I incorrect?
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I thought that this year would not have a grey tank and the grey water normally flows freely out the waste outlet. Am I incorrect?
In the 1971 models, the gray water freely flows out of the collector, provided that the cap is off.

If the cap is on, then the gray water will back up into the tub.

If you leave the cap on, and open the black water valve, some of the gray water will go into that tank, BUT, some of the black water will back up into the gray lines and the tub.

That's a mess you never want to get into.

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Thats what I thought, so MTSafari should have been told that the grey water trickle is actually normal for him.
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