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Old 05-17-2015, 11:35 PM   #29
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Art, I am confused…but not a hater

You said
"Consider this, I also own a 64' Globetrotter and I've completely remodeled it WITHOUT a toilet." You had not mentioned that. You just said you were fixing up a trailer to sell.

You also said you didn't know much about the plumbing. You asked us a question that someone new to RVing would ask. You had only 3 posts so it was understandable that I didn't think you were an Airstream fanatic.

There are drawbacks to not having a toilet. One of which is resale value. Personally…when my plumbing was out of commission, I found that a porta potti was actually convenient because I never had to look for a dump station.

And I stand by my statement about making money restoring campers. Most of us can not sell our campers for what we have into them. If you do all of the work yourself, you could make your money back for parts and materials and some for your labor. Probably less than what your time, sweat, and skills are worth.

BTW people drive by my house, never having seen the inside of my remodeled trailer and offer me less than half of what I have into it.

Easy fix….I'll make sure not to annoy you again.
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Old 05-18-2015, 03:34 PM   #30
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Easy fix….I'll make sure not to annoy you again.
I just don't appreciate hasty remarks on a topic not targeted for this thread. I did not ask for business opinions from anyone. This is something I would love to do for the rest of my life (priceless). I'm a passionate person and do not have to make A LOT of money doing it. Its all about what you love doing, along with profit of course, that's how you continue to do what you love everyday. I've seen some outrageous pricing on some custom trailers and the market cannot be valued easily. Auctions will tell the story. You didn't annoy me per-say, but simply doubted me before even finding out the facts first. Thanks for trying to bring reality to my eyes but you would never know if you didn't at least try first. You learn from your failures as much as success, ill be getting something out of this, I PROMISE.

Ill get off my soap box now, its time to focus. What is the opinions of most popular toilet systems? Are there particular brands people swear by? Any brands I should stay away from? The DO's the DONT's? I promise i'm also searching other threads / doing homework, I just thought people might bring some fresh up to date info to the table...
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Old 05-18-2015, 03:57 PM   #31
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I do not find that my RV toilet is any less sanitary than the one in my house.

Frankly, I find plunging the toilet at my house to be less sanitary than dumping the tanks on my RV.
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Old 05-18-2015, 04:14 PM   #32
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I do not find that my RV toilet is any less sanitary than the one in my house.

Frankly, I find plunging the toilet at my house to be less sanitary than dumping the tanks on my RV.
Understood, Do RV toilets clog often, or even at all (I would assume they would)? It sounds simple (toilets in RV's) almost too simple. That is why I would like to pick everyone's mind before learning from mistakes.
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Understood, Do RV toilets clog often, or even at all (I would assume they would)? .
I feel that the "orifice" on my RV toilet is bigger than the "orifice" in the toilet at my house. I gotta think that means it will not clog as easily. I have never clogged my RV toilet.
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Is that common on all RV toilets? Ill admit, doing some research, I don't think personally I'll own another without one either! Outside looking in, it seemed like a daunting hassle of upkeep and sanitizing. No smell.. No fussy mess (unless an unfortunate leak occurs), and you cannot beat the convenience factor. I need some "swear by" product brands though, anyone?
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Old 05-18-2015, 04:38 PM   #35
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I replaced my broken toilet with a Sealand ( low height to account for the deck it sits on) I used the china or porcelain model because the plastic ones scratch and get harder to clean. ( also the scratches make a nice breeding ground for nastys )

BUT…I seem to recall a conversation with another craftsman, who was making the same decisions about the restoration of his vintage project trailer. I believe that I found a toilet ( maybe marine ????????) that is VERY reminiscent of the old style RV toilet.( very cool ) AND… we saw a few used originals for sale. They take up very little room, if that matters.

I mentioned that I thought that in some ways a porta potti
(or cassette toilet) is more convenient than a built in. I still use mine ( have two ) when I know I won't be near a dump station, and in the winter when my plumbing is winterized. BUT…I am still glad I put a new toilet and black tank in mine, for when I have a large group, or I am on an extended trip. yeah, and resale.
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Porcelain or Plastic?

So is porcelain the "way to go"? No pun intended. Or does the weight factor offset the sanitizing issue? Gut feeling is telling me people would like porcelain and would sacrifice weight somewhere else to have it...
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The perception is that a porcelain is easier to clean than plastic. My opinion is that there is no significant difference but some are sure there is. I have had around 16 + RV's and all but one have had plastic toilets. The 2014 FC 20 I have now came with a Thetford porcelain which is not all that impressive due to the flushing system. It is not a rim flush, but uses a spray from the rear only and has marginal coverage. The feature I like the best on any RV toilet is the ability to use a hand flush sprayer, something like a sink sprayer. Then if there are any left over deposits, they can be easily sprayed away using minimal water. That is best for someone who boondocks like I usually do.
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Old 05-18-2015, 05:43 PM   #38
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Art, we share a dream

I am trying to retire. I had a plan to restore vintage " cannned ham " trailers. Buy, restore and sell.

Then I researched it, prepared a model, and designed a shelter to protect the works in progress. I have a place with ten acres.( I have a degree in Marketing, my father was a partner in the top accounting firm in the world, and my daughter has her Masters in Finance ). I found out that even worn out canned hams were selling for between $ 500 and $ $1000, and most of the beautifully restored canned hams were selling for between $10K and $ 12K. and I would have to wait for a buyer to get paid. I did the math.

My research led me to a great soul who restores peoples canned hams. He charges about ten thousand dollars. I'm not sure if materials are extra. But he is guaranteed his fee. It takes him about eight months to finish a project. I did the math. This seemed like a smarter way to go financially, but you had to find clients and get the job, and the financial rewards were light.

I still might restore one for myself, in my spare time, for fun, as a hobby.

Here's what matters... you said you put your heart into the restoration of your first trailer, and you said that doing what you love is what matters. It's cool that you know where your heart is. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah...I follow my heart too…my daughter makes sure my head knows where my wallet is.

Sorry for talking business. I wouldn't have went there if you hadn't said that you were fixing it up the trailer to sell it.
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I am trying to retire. I had a plan to restore vintage " cannned ham " trailers. Buy, restore and sell.

Then I researched it, prepared a model, and designed a shelter to protect the works in progress. I have a place with ten acres.( I have a degree in Marketing, my father was a partner in the top accounting firm in the world, and my daughter has her Masters in Finance ). I found out that even worn out canned hams were selling for between $ 500 and $ $1000, and most of the beautifully restored canned hams were selling for between $10K and $ 12K. and I would have to wait for a buyer to get paid. I did the math.

My research led me to a great soul who restores peoples canned hams. He charges about ten thousand dollars. I'm not sure if materials are extra. But he is guaranteed his fee. It takes him about eight months to finish a project. I did the math. This seemed like a smarter way to go financially, but you had to find clients and get the job, and the financial rewards were light.

I still might restore one for myself, in my spare time, for fun, as a hobby.

Here's what matters... you said you put your heart into the restoration of your first trailer, and you said that doing what you love is what matters. It's cool that you know where your heart is. That's a beautiful thing. Yeah...I follow my heart too…my daughter makes sure my head knows where my wallet is.

Sorry for talking business. I wouldn't have went there if you hadn't said that you were fixing it up the trailer to sell it.
So I retract what I said, your not a hater just a realist..
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Black tank treatments

I use an enzyme treatment instead of the perfumed blue chemical.

You can get the green ( green in a few ways ) liquid enzyme treatment at any RV store. Or go a more economical route and just use Ridex, that you can get at most hardware stores, and some super markets.

Enzymes eat the smelly bacteria, but leave the good stuff to break down everything to liquid

Use Scott tissue that is cheaper than RV tissue and breaks down just as well.

Check out Poop Sheets by Phred
https://manmrk.net/tutorials/RV/phred/phredex.html
( it's not just about poop It's articles about all the technical aspects of RVs)

Also this forum's " forums " section has categories on all this stuff
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So almost treat it like a typical septic system you would find in homes?
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Yeah…

If you use enzyme treatments you could actually just empty your RV black tank into your septic system. Your septic system would think that you never left home. It just wouldn't be dealing with solids and paper

Another selling point for enzyme treatments is that you don't have to go crazy cleaning your tank all of the time. The enzymes thrive on having something to eat.
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