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Old 12-07-2014, 12:44 PM   #57
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I will respectfully disagree. In this scheme one man might be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law while another is prosecuted not at all for identical offenses and identical circumstances.

One man might be held to the strict letter of the law, while another may disregard the law entirely. The law should be applied equally to all.

I think this discretion perverts the law.


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Actually we do agree, though not entirely. I was saying how the system works, not how it should work. A great many things people do all the time have been criminalized so police can arrest for all sorts of things that seem crazy. Prosecutors start with unsustainable charges to make a deal. Some police are blinded by fear of specific groups and arrest indiscriminately. Almost all criminal cases never go to trial.

To change this enormous amounts of money would have to support a court system with more trials. As it is, courts are regularly starved of money and court fees in Colorado have gone up much more than inflation. This denies justice to people filing civil suits because they can't afford to. All sorts of extra fees have been added to criminal convictions. Reforming the court system is not something anyone tries to do and decriminalizing petty crimes and things that cannot be enforced (marijuana for ex.—the world has not ended in Colorado) scares legislators who are afraid of being called soft on crime. There has been some movement on reducing draconian and unnecessary sentences, but the private prison industry fights that.

But the question was whether a slinky is enough of a health hazard to require elevation, and also whether elevation solves any problem. I'm sure there are people so incompetent they cannot attach one hose to another without it leaking, they are so careless they never notice and are so sloppy they don't care if there is a large puddle (or solids) on the ground. And even among we superior black tank drainers, mistakes can be made without intent.

Is this a real threat to public health? Maybe. Does elevation of the slinky hose help discover a leak? Maybe. I suppose if it is a threat worth legislating against we will soon see ordinances and then state statutes or regulations saving us from the incompetent, uncaring slimeballs. When one of we careful people makes a mistake, or the hose suddenly gushes forth because we didn't run periodic tests on the plastic parts to see if they were at the end of useful life, we should, if there is no discretion, be slapped with a ticket, hauled off to the big house and do our time just like the slimeballs. Maybe then we would favor discretion on the part of the health inspector.

While we are discussing waste products, how many of you have been at a CG where the sewer vents around the park are too low or the wind is blowing the fumes downward? We have been to CG's where a vent doesn't even clear the top of our trailer and the pleasant gasses permeate the area. Should that be regulated? I doubt it causes harm to people but it sure smells bad. It couldn't be coming from our trailer vents because our waste products do not have an odor.

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Old 12-08-2014, 12:56 AM   #58
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Again, with all due respect Gene, what if the law said it is illegal to be using a leaking hose instead of issuing a citation to a camper who didn't properly elevate his hose for his ten hour stay at a campground?

Common sense has left our shores, unfortunately the flight of good sense is all too often led by law makers and policy makers who don't know near as much as they think they know, and as a result, the "solutions" they mandate are not solutions at all.


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Old 12-08-2014, 09:13 AM   #61
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I have to admit I, and I believe many others, camp to get away from the preponderance of Do Gooders that want to regulate my life. In Jersey I cannot have a rare hamburger. I cannot burn my leaves. For a while I could not order runny egg, we did get that one overturned. They now are working to have my dog in a seat belt.


I camp to get away from this insanity for a short period of time.
But now the Do Gooders have followed me into the woods. Some want to eliminate campfires. My dog has to be leased. I can no longer use a gofer hole. And god forbid if I don’t back flush and sweeten my holding tanks.



It used to be these questionable regulations were the result of knee jerk reaction to the latest news item. Certain groups have recognized this and now manage the news towards a given agenda. Any minor statistical aberration can be blown up and presented to the public to cause the public, having no knowledge on the subject other than what hey have just been feed, to demand a regulation.


I called the Marin County offices last week to question this regulation but all numbers resulted in a message and no call back. I guess the surf was up.
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Old 12-08-2014, 11:18 AM   #62
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My dog has to be leased.
I like dogs, but it a pain to travel with them. Next time I'm in Jersey I might lease one just to have one around for a few days. I commend NJ for this new effort to promote tourism. Maybe instead of the Garden State it could be called the Safe State. Seniors like safety—maybe New Jersey, the Safe Retirement State

I don't think you can pump gas either in NJ, just like Oregon. And you have to clean the snow off the roof of your vehicle so it doesn't fly off when you're driving and whack someone behind you.

Sorry Howie, typos can be so much fun and we need more of that.

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We have been camping in New Jersey on several different occasions in recent years, and I was aware of the can't pump your own gas there. Our trip to the Garden State last year was our first one with the Duramax. I pulled up to the diesel pump and waited for service. No one showed up. I finally walked over to an employee pumping gas at another island. He told in very curt New Jersey fashion that they didn't pump diesel; "it's too dirty".

As to the Dog Lease program, can you lease one at a gas station or do you have to go to a special Dog Rental Station?

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Old 12-08-2014, 12:11 PM   #64
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This is not a typo, my computer can't put the "thingie" over the e

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Without pirating the tread I will just say New Jersey has the best politicians money can buy.

Now back to the stinky slinky.
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Old 12-08-2014, 02:19 PM   #65
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I got a citation from a City Inspector in Marin County, CA to prove it.
This tended to lend credence to the original question. With that in mind I called Marin County, and yes they have returned my call. Marin County says they have no campgrounds that offer any form of hookups, dry camping only. Could you have been in a City park?
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I ran into the same issue one time at a diesel pump. When I inquired I was told that here in good 'ole New Jersey ( where you cannot pump your own gas) that if the diesel pump is on a stand alone island it CAN BE self service. I have encountered this regularly at one Hess station but most places I fuel they do pump it for us.
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Old 12-08-2014, 06:55 PM   #67
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I haven't bought gas in NJ in many, many years and when I did, probably back in the 1960's, there was no self service. But in Oregon, where I have been recently, sometimes the pumper is busy or disappears so I just finish it myself. So far I have escaped prison for this. I haven't seen any dog leasing there.

As for touché, my computer is better than yours. I think this is the level (on the ground I suppose) this thread has gotten to.

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Interestingly the can't pump gas in Oregon caused an interesting issue. When we pulled in, all of our dogs reacted in a very hostile manner to the attendant. I blew it off as dog paranoia, but after that trip someone attempted to fraudulently use the credit card we use only for trips like that. Nipped that in the bud instantly, then remembered the dog incident. Interesting correlation. Next time I pay more attention to the dogs.

That is one thing we do--use a dedicated credit card with a very minimal balance on the road. I refill it as necessary from a banking app on my cell phone, and keep a close eye on transactions. The receipts go in the trip logbook and get kept for at least a year. I check the statement every couple days and have transaction sets that go to my cell phone so I can verify usage. That has caught several fraud attempts.

I no longer buy gas in Oregon if I can avoid it 😝


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This tended to lend credence to the original question. With that in mind I called Marin County, and yes they have returned my call. Marin County says they have no campgrounds that offer any form of hookups, dry camping only. Could you have been in a City park?
There are three full-hookup RV Parks in Marin County. They are:
- Marin RV Park (415) 461-5199
- Golden Gate Trailer Park (415) 924-0683
- Novato RV Park (800) 733-6787

I have stayed at all three. I got the citation while at Golden Gate Trailer Park, (several others did too). You can confirm that officials give out these citations by speaking with the owner at Golden Gate RV Park. Ask for Wally. I stayed only one night at Marin RV Park, so no time to get to know about this. I stayed for about 6 months at Novato RV Park and did not hear about anyone there getting a citation. This is not something I heard about, I and others received a warning citation, stating that the official would return in 1 week and any trailers not in conformance would be ticketed.
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My comment referred to Marin County as a governmental body and it's parks. Yes there may be State, Federal, City, and Private parks in Marin County.

The Marin County Parks Supervisor I spoke to said they did not have any parks that offered hook ups and he was not aware of any State regulation on sewer hoses.

Now we are left with the possibility of City ordinances.

I will wait for the left coast to wake up and may call the above noted parks.
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