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Old 12-04-2014, 01:49 PM   #43
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Hello Protag - here's something to think about - actually a BFO - blinding flash of the obvious. I'm not going to add water to the gray tank after using the SS and washing my hands, because I'll wash at the spigot where the hose used to be.

And here's another BFO. Most campgrounds are dog friendly. Do you spray Clorox over the outside spigot before you hook up your white hose... If not, think about what a great dane might have just done on that spigot. Uh... ug.


But seriously folks, we underestimate the role and benefit of public health programs. Overlander63 got me hooked on the "1631" series of novels and the corresponding "Grantville Gazette". About a town in W.V. that got transported through time into the middle of the 30 years war in Germany, 1631. Some of it is hilarious and other parts tragic. Imagine 3000 souls being dropped into a world where smallpox was endemic, flu was lethal, and then there was the occasional swath of bubonic plague that sent people fleeing and spreading it. Then a 5 year old dies from tetanus because they have no vaccine. In 1631 and far beyond, 3 out of 10 women died of "child bed fever"... because the midwives delivered mother after mother without washing their hands. As a society we may SEEM to be obsessed with small petty rules, but as a very young and curious child I wandered off during a memorial day service at our local graveyard. I noticed a LOT of family plots from the 1800's where there would be 3, 4 or even 7 children's headstones where babies died within days of birth or where 3 or more children died within a week, often with flu, scarlet fever, diphtheria or a dozen other once-common diseases we rarely even think about today.

Wash your hands, put your slinky up on a stand and be grateful we are all healthy enough to even think about this crap.
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Old 12-04-2014, 02:04 PM   #44
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I have just completed a search of the three major legal databases in the US. I failed to find even one mention of an ordinance or law relating to the subject at hand. Therefor I can only conclude that no such laws exist.
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Hello Protag - here's something to think about - actually a BFO - blinding flash of the obvious. I'm not going to add water to the gray tank after using the SS and washing my hands, because I'll wash at the spigot where the hose used to be.
When I'm at a campsite with full hookups, me too. But at a dump station where the spigot is clearly labeled "non-potable" I will use it to rinse my discharge hose if necessary but not to wash my hands.
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Old 12-04-2014, 06:21 PM   #46
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I have just completed a search of the three major legal databases in the US. I failed to find even one mention of an ordinance or law relating to the subject at hand. Therefor I can only conclude that no such laws exist.

Not surprised. My "BS" alarm Isidro always correct.
I did find some rules issued be housing departments relating to mobile home sewage plumbing.
I did find some regulations requiring "air tight" sewer connections for travel trailers.


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Just a Note

Just a Note...

In the Marin County, CA RV park where I got the Citation for having a slinky on the ground, my slinky was actually on a sloped slinky rack which was NOT QUITE long enough to reach the ground-side sewer connection, leaving about a foot touching the ground.

I did get a Citation that stated the Ordinance by name and number. It was a County Ordinance. I did not keep a copy of the Citation after it was resolved as I do not like to collect unnecessary paper (weight).

The park had both RVs and Mobile Homes. The Owner said that although the Ordinance technically only applied to Mobile Homes, the officials enforced it broadly against RVs as well. There was no fine in my case, just a warning and a promise to re-visit in 7 days.

I solved the problem by placing a brick under the low part of the slinky and they were happy with that.
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Old 12-05-2014, 12:51 AM   #48
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Not surprised. My "BS" alarm Isidro always correct.

"Isidro" should read "is most"

Sorry 'bout that.

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Old 12-05-2014, 01:16 AM   #49
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I use a couple of sections of vinyl gutter, each about 5 feet long, to support the waste hose. One piece fits inside the other for stowage in the bumper locker. I adjust the two pieces to the right length and only need to support my vinyl "bridge" in a few places with plastic lego wheel ramp pieces or bricks. Nice, straight, even slope from trailer to sewer connection.

I'd guess that 3/4 of the sewer hose setups I see in rv parks are done badly.
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Old 12-05-2014, 07:07 AM   #50
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This is an interesting topic and after reading most of the posts I'm going with the idea there is no state law in California and probably not in any other state that requires a slinky to be elevated. There may be park rules and local codes (that have been misinterpreted) that require a slinky to be elevated.

On the other hand, I don't think I ever leave my slinky attached for extended periods. Even when I go to a park/campground that has full hookups I typically only attach the slinky when I'm dumping. We have relatively large waste tanks (39 gallons) so I realize not all trailers/RVs have the same holding capacity. We also don't stay in one place more than two weeks so hooking up the slinky every 4 or 5 days is not a problem.

My main reason for disconnecting the slinky is the pesky lawn care workers. Not all places have grass but the locations that have grass come around with weed wackers every few days and those folks don't seem to mind what they cut into.
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My main reason for disconnecting the slinky is the pesky lawn care workers. Not all places have grass but the locations that have grass come around with weed wackers every few days and those folks don't seem to mind what they cut into.
I wonder if THAT is the real reason for the county ordinance in question, to shift legal liability for any environmental "damage" due to leaks away from campgrounds and grounds maintenance workers and onto the campers who are most likely transients anyway.
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:45 AM   #52
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The reason for these rules applied to RV people is stupidity and the absurd unamerican notion of "prosecutorial discretion".


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the absurd unamerican notion of "prosecutorial discretion".
i've prosecuted and defended ordinance and statutory cases and the amount of prosecutorial discretion exercised is common, almost universal and without it the system could break down. Same for cops using discretion. I'm not saying it is goodóprosecutors and cops overcharge all the time to get a negotiated deal and that doesn't feel like justice to me. It has been going for for generations and is quite American.

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I will respectfully disagree. In this scheme one man might be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law while another is prosecuted not at all for identical offenses and identical circumstances.

One man might be held to the strict letter of the law, while another may disregard the law entirely. The law should be applied equally to all.

I think this discretion perverts the law.


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Mine is under arrest, locked away in the storage tube for the rest of its natural life.....

Sewer solution is what I use.


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