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Old 12-04-2014, 08:36 AM   #29
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Back to the original point of having the slinky raised off the ground. What does that accomplish? If the hose were to leak will the water evaporate before hitting the ground?
If it was elevated and had a uniform slope from trailer to drain, it would prevent water ponding in the slinky during a dump, which is a good thing. But just off the ground with no concern for slope?

And in practical terms, a leak would only be present while there is fluid running (or ponding) in the line in either case. In other words, it makes no difference at all until the dump valve is opened. And how many campers actually take the time to examine the entire length of their slinky for leaks while dumping the tanks instead of paying attention to what they're doing?
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:41 AM   #30
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If it was elevated and had a uniform slope from trailer to drain, it would prevent water ponding in the slinky during a dump, which is a good thing. But just off the ground with no concern for slope?

And in practical terms, a leak would only be present while there is fluid running (or ponding) in the line in either case. In other words, it makes no difference at all until the dump valve is opened. And how many campers actually take the time to examine the entire length of their slinky for leaks while dumping the tanks instead of paying attention to what they're doing?
Yup, I keep one of these onboard for the rare times I am on full hookups for more than a few days.

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There are other styles, but this one is light and compact. It actually lives in my outside refrigerator compartment.
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:42 AM   #31
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Back in my early days of Airstreaming when I still used a slinky, I had one of those folding aluminum bridges for the slinky to sit in. I used it because I thought that it made the slinky drain more efficiently. I did not use this device because of any rule. I started using the Sewer Solution about eight years ago. The Sewer Solution drain hose(s) are always directly on the ground. I don't see any reason for or advantage to elevating this hose.

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Old 12-04-2014, 08:56 AM   #32
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It's just the mentality of the rule makers.
Let's not get carried away with concern about a small amount of sewage dripping on the ground.
I was the manager of the process and sewage treatment plants for a very large corporation. I learned a lot of s**t about the way things work.
Not all waste dissolves in these processes. There is what is called sludge or solid waste. It is loaded into slurry trucks. Then spread on the "ground". Usually on some farm.
I am not advocating for letting things drip. So to speak. A little common sense goes a long way.
I am sure there are places that require a raised sewer hose. I would bet they also sell the devices that hold the hose off the ground.


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Old 12-04-2014, 09:00 AM   #33
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Howie……

I take a green stance on the environment, and respect the health and safety of others. But if I were to argue with myself, I would say that soil has been " eating " animal waste for millions of years. with little ill effect. But I would quickly fight back and think that people on a camping vacation shouldn't have to smell pooh. I also worry about the next guy to camp on the site
Another interesting thing. I hear that in the old airstream owners manuals. Wally included the technique of digging a " gopher hole " to collect the discharge coming out of the tanks. I tried it at my farmhouse for grey water. It works, no puddles, no smell. An additional technique is the use of a " Missouri Bucket" ( a bucket with a hole in it. it slows the flow to give the ground a better chance of absorbing liquid without a puddle) Again I would only try this with grey water, and not at a public campground.
I am really not well suited to comment on this though, as I rarely go to campgrounds. I should mention that two of my annual outings are at rodeo grounds where there is horse pooh EVERYWHERE. And Cutting Horses…let's just say that they pee pretty much ….like race horses
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Arguing with myself again

Jamestown, one of the first white man settlements in these United States of America, was quickly fouled and rendered inhabitable by poor sewage management. Swampy terrain didn't help matters.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:24 AM   #35
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If a person wants to work hard enough they might in their own mind be able to make a law mandating an elevated sewer hose seem reasonable, because after all we must make some effort, no matter how ineffective it might be, to stay the possibility of a camper leaking waste on the ground.

May I offer for consideration that sewer water leaking on the ground next to a camper really ain't due to lack of hose elevation, but due to a leaking drain hose.

That said, the easiest way to keep the slinky off the ground is to add one Viagra to the black tank when you make camp.


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That said, the easiest way to keep the slinky off the ground is to add one Viagra to the black tank when you make camp.
You, sir, are a sick and twisted individual. That's one of the thinkgs I like about you.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:12 AM   #37
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That said, the easiest way to keep the slinky off the ground is to add one Viagra to the black tank when you make camp.
But what if you are camping for more than 4 hours?
And not all SLINKYS react the same
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In my travels, I have been so instructed about the sewer line in different states during sign up at the camp office. Some parks require paperwork about registration/insurance and "sewer safety", for stays 1 month or longer, that are based on county laws. I do see the sheriff patrolling on occasion, even in city limits.
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Old 12-04-2014, 10:51 AM   #39
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Nice thing about the sewer solution setup is most - and I would have to say "all" in my experience - campgrounds have no idea what it is. Therefore a rule or law like this has no impact on my camping. At the Diamond State Park in Arkansas, the campground "police" or just some huffy guy in a tan uniform with a golf cart said he had to go back and use the internet to get a better understanding of my setup - I had spent the better part of an hour showing him. He never came back.
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Old 12-04-2014, 11:52 AM   #40
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First, a city inspector in Marin Co. only has authority to enforce city ordinances and maybe state ones. That you got a ticket probably means you violated a city ordinance. The ticket must state what ordinance (or state statute) you violated. Check it if you still have it.

Next, I wear gloves when dumping the black tank. But it is easy to get whatever is on the gloves on you or on something else you later touch. That is also why it is hard to remove gloves and protective suits when infectious diseases are a problem without infecting yourself. Getting each glove off while not touching the outside is an art I have not fully mastered. And once I have the gloves on, my nose decides to get itchy. I try to stop it through kind control or rub my sleeve on it, but I'm not entirely successful with either method.

Your own urine will not poison nor kill you. It is yours and if it contains disease causing bacteria or viruses, you already have them. If lost in the desert, drinking your urine can keep you alive (though that may be stomach churning). And if you know how not to pee on your hands (men often master that after a few decades), maybe you don't have to wash them. I do see men in public bathrooms who don't wash after #2. You can get sick from the e coli in your own intestines and that's why you have to wash after #2. On the ground along with waste from animals, most gets absorbed and becomes benign fairly quickly, but human waste on the ground day after day at one spot builds up and could be a danger.

Grey water is more benign, but usually includes food particles that can also build up and become a problem. Some may be bad for animals (they are smarter than we are and usually avoid highly processed human "foodf"), but they may eat it and get ill. Otherwise it just rots on the ground as it builds up. That's why dumping grey water is not ok in campgrounds. But at home, at the end of the season, anything that remains in the tank after flushing it out is ok to dump on the ground. Living in a desert environment, it disappears really fast.

Some of the cheap slinkies are made to fail. The ends that screw on each time you use it frequently leak. I bought better quality ones with glued on end connections that never have leaked unless stuff built up on the O rings. They are easy to clean off and you can replace them periodically if you need to. I use the black plastic thing that is like an accordion (though fortunately it doesn't play any "music") to support the hose. There are a few problems—sometimes too short, sometimes it ends up too low because some sewer drains are too high at CG's, and sometimes the hose sags between the supports. But it works ok except for the yuk factor.

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I really didn't mean to start any debate of any kind about how to or not to handle sewage. I was only trying to find out if it is the law in California that a slinky must be elevated.

It's been fun though.

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