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Old 12-15-2012, 07:38 AM   #43
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This is more the dealer than Airstream. Most dealers provide everything to get you started.
If you want to compare Airstream to General Motors or Toyota, how much gas do they give you in a new vehicle ?
I was blown away that the Chevy dealer FILLED my 40 gallon diesel tank on delivery. Filled to the top! That was a nice surprise.

The window sticker for my new Flying Cloud says the "sewer hose storage tube" is included. Is that the hose or a tube in which the hose is stored? I'm sure we'll figure it all out :-)
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Old 12-15-2012, 08:04 AM   #44
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I bought a new Duramax in August of '11, and the dealer had it full of fuel when I picked it up. As a matter of fact, I have bought five brand new vehicles in the last 25 years, and each one came with s full tank of gas.

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Old 12-15-2012, 10:48 AM   #45
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I bought a new Duramax in August of '11, and the dealer had it full of fuel when I picked it up. As a matter of fact, I have bought five brand new vehicles in the last 25 years, and each one came with s full tank of gas.

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This was from the dealer not GM
I would question the level of service one would receive from a dealer who would cheap out and not include the items needed to get started.
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Old 12-15-2012, 11:04 AM   #46
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Well, in all fairness, the dealership did provide a 'gift certificate' for $50.00 to buy a few of the things Airstream failed to include. I bought it at George Sutton RV in Oregon.

The issue I still have is that for $70-100k (and without an engine, drivetrain, generator, steering, or proper insulation) one would expect the factory would include premium equipment to include connectors to water and sewer. It's probably a good thing for Thor that the Japanese don't build RVs for the US market.

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Hmmm . . . I've seen few Japanese cars that include a bed, bath, cookstove, and fridge.

As you see here, many preferences on water and sewer hoses, good of Geo Sutton to give you the money to pick your own preference. Usually RV dealers have a "kit" of this stuff they provide.

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Old 12-16-2012, 01:02 AM   #47
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I was blown away that the Chevy dealer FILLED my 40 gallon diesel tank on delivery. Filled to the top! That was a nice surprise.

The window sticker for my new Flying Cloud says the "sewer hose storage tube" is included. Is that the hose or a tube in which the hose is stored? I'm sure we'll figure it all out :-)
Yep. That's the black PVC tube hung precariously under the chassis that you're supposed to get down on your hands and knees to scrunch your accordion sewer pipe into. Sans connectors, of course, and where are they supposed to go? That was not part of the "let's always make them better" mantra of Wally B.

I've found the hollow rear bumper makes for a much easier sewer connector parts bin.
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Hi Russ. Make it all easier and cleaner with the Sewer Solution system, like many Airstreamers have done. We have used it three years now and would not use the yuk slinky again. No, Wally won't pay for it, but it's in the "make them better" mantra.

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This is more the dealer than Airstream. Most dealers provide everything to get you started.
If you want to compare Airstream to General Motors or Toyota, how much gas do they give you in a new vehicle ?
I don't know about them but all dodges are shipped with some fuel to get you started and most dealers fill them before delivery
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Old 12-16-2012, 11:32 AM   #50
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My 2011 (new at the time) Ford F250 was delivered by the dealer with a full tank of diesel fuel. I was disappointed when I arrive to pick the truck up on a Saturday it had not been washed. The salesman quickly sent it to the wash bay for a poor effort at getting the dirt rinsed off. The delivery experience reminded me of why I hadn't owned an American automobile brand in two decades. Fortunately, so far the vehicle itself has been great.

I don't know about new trailer deliveries as my one RV purchase (my Airstream) was a used vehicle. The prior owner was terrific on delivery. He spent the time to show us how to use everything and did supply the sewer hose, hitch, water hose, power cord, and other miscellaneous items that allowed us to drive away and set up camp that evening. As an aside we did look at new trailers, before buying used, and as I recall all of the dealers we spoke to either included a "startup kit" with hoses or an allowance to purchase the startup items at the dealer's parts department.

Like others I've also dispensed with using the sewer tube under the trailer. The 15' Rhino sewer hose I inherited from the PO collapses tightly and fits easily into the bumper compartment along with extra 10' and 5' Rhino sections I purchased at Camping World and my chocks. I also have a new 15' Rhino section, still in the box, stored at the back of my Airstream outside storage compartment for the time when I need a new one as I'm confident I'll have a need for one some day while on the road. The stiff but flexible Rhino hose superior to the "floppy" slinky sewer hoses my father used 40 years ago on the family trailer. Disposable gloves stored in the Airstream outside compartment make the setup and takedown of the sewer hose a much cleaner proposition than bare handing it!

I've looked at the Sewer Solution product but so far have found other higher priority spending opportunities for the Airstream. Once I have my first sewer hose "accident" I may change my mind!
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Old 12-16-2012, 12:02 PM   #51
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Just lucky I guess....

Never have stayed anywhere with "hook-up's", so nothing special needed there.
Try to travel with the BT at least 1/2 full, slosh time helps a lot when do'n dump'n.

Have a station at home so are able to flush and clean both tanks after every use, plus a free station at the CW 2mi away.

No special equipment...except configuring the best quality longest hose that will fit in the storage tube.(about 20') Plus an extra 10' section and an assortment of ends, clamps, rubber crapper gloves etc.

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We've bought new vehicles with a full tank of fuel, and others without. Depends on the dealer. I'm not sure I'd want the manufacturer to fill it because if the vehicle sits on the lot for a long time, the fuel deteriorates.

When we bought our Airstream, the most the dealer did was to lead us to their store where they had cheap, overpriced hoses for sale at our expense. We were novices and later found out how bad a dealer they were and how crappy the hoses were.

Since Thor is heavily concerned with cost cutting, I wouldn't be surprised if they eliminated the exterior electric cable someday.

We store the hoses in a big plastic box we keep in the back of the pickup. We found our second set of hoses at Walmart—Revolution by Camco. Ends are glued on and we've had no problems with it. I got an extra hose on Amazon for those campgrounds where the sewer is too far away (such as the Terraport in JC). Fresh water hoses go in another box.

I think the extras you get from a dealer may indicate a better quality dealer, but the relationship between quality and provided hoses or fuel seems a weak one. I'll take the goodies when offered though. My main concern when making a deal is making a good deal—getting a few thousand dollars off the price is worth a lot more than $100 worth of fuel or $25 worth of hoses.

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Not to hijack the thread, but do you use the SS for tge grey tank also, and is any faster or slower
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Not to hijack the thread, but do you use the SS for tge grey tank also, and is any faster or slower
With the Sewer Solution hooked up I just leave the grey tank valve open all the time.

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After my posts here of a year ago regarding the Sewer Solution, I finally gave up on it and went back to the slinky. I suppose with better planning the SS would have been fine, but my experience was that it takes a lllloooonnnngggg time for the SS to dump my black tank.
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Jack, did it allow you to backflush your tank to get it clean?

If the SS takes a long time, you lose the pressure that flushes the stuff out because it backs up and moves slowly. Seems like it would not clean well.

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