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Old 07-27-2009, 11:37 AM   #1
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Sewer drainage

We have a 22' Argosy parked at a seasonal site. A new location for us. They require that you use PVC piping to drain out gray and toilet waste from the trailer. I have spent the better part of this season (which I must side track to say it has been WET so far!), trying to figure the best route to drain this out. I am running into the waste being held up in the pipes, until I come and lift them up to drain into the park's sewer tank..one for each site. This is my route so far (Please excuse my ignorance of names for some of the plumbing- I work in healthcare not plumbing !)- I have a special connector to the trailer that fits with the 3 or 4 grooved pipe attached to the trailer..then I have another connection with a flexible PVC pipe (held with a metal wrap around clamp), then there is a straight portion of PVC black pipe going down to a 90 degree turn to another 3 foot section of pipe, which runs along to another 90 degree turn which then thru a series of connectors runs about 10 feet or more to the sewer drain (along the side of the trailer) All my pipes are 3". The problem I have is, as mentioned above, that everything just sits at the second 90 degree turn section..since it is level, if not lower than the park's sewer drain. I recently purchased a 45 degree connector, that I was thinking I should use for the first point off the trailer and that would allow everything to flow down hill..hopefully?? I will need to do some moving around of pipes..I cemented all the connections.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
I would like to say I am up to my knees in something, but won't
Another question..should I leave the toilet drain open all the time? I have so far..once I made sure there were not leaks..
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:41 AM   #2
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Wade,

First, do not leave the black tank valve open. If you do, only liquid will drain off, leaving any solids and paper behind. Second, how about a picture of your situation.

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Thanks Bill- I will try to get some photos this week...Sounds rather complicate doesn't it. Thanks also for the tip about the black water tank..next time I am out there, I will shut it. So empty when full correct? Maybe I should dump a bucket or two of water down to keeps things a float
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Thanks Bill- I will try to get some photos this week...Sounds rather complicate doesn't it. Thanks also for the tip about the black water tank..next time I am out there, I will shut it. So empty when full correct? Maybe I should dump a bucket or two of water down to keeps things a float
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Wade,

You should have a substantial volume of fluid in the tank to flush the solids out. One thing that I do on occasion is dump several dish water tubs of hot water in the black tank before dumping. I think that it helps to liquify any solids.

The more liquid in the black tank the better.

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Old 07-27-2009, 12:34 PM   #5
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bill, just put it in medical terms . give the tank a hot water enema.

give it some time to work before opening the valve.

given the fact that it has been open for a while, a lot of water, maybe half a tank before you open it or you might come down with a case of "black hills syndrome"! been there done that.
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Old 07-28-2009, 08:25 PM   #6
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Thanks so far...photos here of my sewage drainage

I went to the trailer last evening..to swim at the lake and close the black water tank..to save any "hills"
I also took the attached photos.
More advice...please.
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ABS drain setup

In looking at the setup of the sewer pipe it appears that the 1st elbow is too low. It looks like you have a 4" X 3" "boot" as a coupling with the 4" end stretched over the hub of the 3" elbow. Can you put a little short piece of 3" pipe in the elbow looking up and use a 3" rubber coupling to make the connection? This would raise the elbow off the ground and give you more fall.
If you use the 45 Deg. ell RV connector you will have to have a 45 Deg. ABS ell to make the connection to the line out near the 90 Deg. heading to the sewer.
Remember to try to maintain 1/4" inch per foot fall. (1" in 4 Ft.) This allows the solids to be "floated" along the pipe. Too much fall allows the water to flow away leaving the solids behind. Too little it does not move.
Put it all together "dry" without glue and when you are happy with the results, glue it and go have a beer while you wait for it to dry. It needs to be supported, (bricks, blocks, two by fours, Etc.) every 4Ft. otherwise it will sag between blocks and create problems especially in the hot sun!
I think its great the park requires hard pipe sewers to prevent unsanitary conditions!
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I've seen the fitting you use between the rubber adapter & your TT connector with a 90 degree angle. Maybe finding one of these will start the run higher. I'll keep an eye out & report back when I find or remember what store it was at.
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I found it

It's by Valterra, a 90 degree clear view adapter. Valterre's model # is T1023. I found it at www.folandsales.com . Foland's model # is 7-09239. It's currently listed for $8.25 plus shipping. Hope this helps move things along for you.

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