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01-11-2017, 03:40 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 23' Safari
Middletown
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 546
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No more black tank
Hi I just removed my black tank from my 72 safari and was wondering how do you cap off the top of the valve or do I just remove the dump valve entirely cut the drain pipe and put a cap at the end of the pipe with a hose fitting for my grey water dump into my blue boy? I'll be adding a permanent grey tank under my airstream this summer. I'm trying to get my safari ready for my first trip with my wife out to Sedona, Arizona next month. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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01-11-2017, 04:32 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Pretty hard questions to answer without seeing the setup IMO. Is the toilet still in place?
"Just button things up in a neat and workmanlike manner, as a professional plumber would do?"
Now . . .
May we ask what you plan to do with the solid waste material from your human bodies? Seems as if there is no holding tank for your trip?
Maybe I missed something . . .
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01-11-2017, 04:54 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Did you install a composting toilet?
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01-11-2017, 06:53 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 23' Safari
Middletown
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 546
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Composting toilet :)
I'm planning to buy a natures head or airhead composting toilet. No need for a conventional toilet or black tank anymore. I only have the dump valve connected to my shower and sink drain pipes. There's a gaping hole on top of the waste dump valve where the black tank use to connect to.
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01-11-2017, 08:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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I have friends with the Natures Head in their tiny house on wheels. Bit of a learning curve but they seem happy with it.
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01-11-2017, 09:01 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 23' Safari
Middletown
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 546
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I've spent hours researching the two toilets and they seem pretty amazing to me. Can't wait to try one out. They are a bit pricey though.
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01-12-2017, 03:04 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mx468
I'm planning to buy a natures head or airhead composting toilet. No need for a conventional toilet or black tank anymore. I only have the dump valve connected to my shower and sink drain pipes. There's a gaping hole on top of the waste dump valve where the black tank use to connect to.
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Thanks for the clarification!
There should be some kind of mechanical patch/plug to seal that hole in the top of the black tank IMO, available from a plumbing or RV supply house. Because the hole is on the top of the tank, which will be empty, you really only need an air seal, not a watertight seal for liquid under pressure IMO. I would not advise trying to glue/bond a patch in place unless you really know what you are doing with the specific plastic/material of the tank top. BTW -- would removing the black tank gain you more height for the base of the new composting toilet? In the 20-footer thread, someone recently had to do this, as the FC20 black tank height bumps the toilet base up above the main bath floor. [edit -- will find this if you need it]
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Originally Posted by Mx468
I've spent hours researching the two toilets and they seem pretty amazing to me. Can't wait to try one out. They are a bit pricey though.
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There are plenty of threads on this here, in case you haven't seen them:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f382...ll-146271.html
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f444...nk-156780.html
Search results for composting toilet here FYI:
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=011403...let&gsc.page=1
Good luck!
Peter
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01-12-2017, 05:00 AM
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#8
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4 Rivet Member
1978 25' Tradewind
1954 15' Byam Holiday
Vintage Kin Owner
Linden
, Michigan
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 294
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"Wasteful" Black Tank
If you do not intend to use it and you do not intend to re-sell your Safari, remove it to reduce your weight.
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01-12-2017, 06:16 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 23' Safari
Middletown
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 546
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Hey Steve the tank is already removed. The composting toilets are little taller than the normal flush toilets so now the toilet will be flush with my new floor I'll be installing. Now to figure out my bathroom layout.
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01-12-2017, 08:52 AM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Estancia
, New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,743
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Quote:
Originally Posted by StevieB
If you do not intend to use it and you do not intend to re-sell your Safari, remove it to reduce your weight.
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The black tank is light, maybe 15 pounds.
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01-12-2017, 09:01 AM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Estancia
, New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,743
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The black tank supports the dump valve, which supports the drain line so whatever you do you may need to support you may have to support that area.
BTW/ I do have a blue boy but in most situations I still drain grey water on the ground (except National Parks)
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01-12-2017, 11:41 AM
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4 Rivet Member
1967 17' Caravel
Oakland
, California
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 299
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We are putting a Natures Head in our Caravel. Super customer service
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01-12-2017, 01:55 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1967 17' Caravel
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 221
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I also pulled the black tank out of my '67 Caravel and will be installing a waterless toilet (Dryflush).
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01-12-2017, 04:07 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 23' Safari
Middletown
, Rhode Island
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 546
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumatic
The black tank supports the dump valve, which supports the drain line so whatever you do you may need to support you may have to support that area.
BTW/ I do have a blue boy but in most situations I still drain grey water on the ground (except National Parks)
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Yeah I was planning on capping it somehow and then screwing it into the bottom of the floor with 4 screws.
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01-12-2017, 09:42 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1968 30' Sovereign
New Richmond
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 137
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We also pulled the black water tank out of our 68 Sovereign (31'), and replaced it with a grey water tank since it didn't have one to begin with. Replaced the toilet with a Nature's Head and couldn't be happier. Of course, when "fixing up" the rotted floor in the rear bath of our trailer, it was "rather easy" to replace to pull out and replace the black water tank with a new grey water tank (from Vintage Trailer Supply) since the entire bathroom floor had to be removed and replaced. We made the decision because we simply did not want to deal with all of the "adventures" a black water tank seems to throw your way!!
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01-13-2017, 12:33 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7,062
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumatic
The black tank supports the dump valve, which supports the drain line so whatever you do you may need to support you may have to support that area.
BTW/ I do have a blue boy but in most situations I still drain grey water on the ground (except National Parks)
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Gray onto the ground is illegal in any place I have camped. Don't know about out west.
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01-15-2017, 09:20 AM
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Rivet Master
1966 24' Tradewind
1995 34' Excella
Lynchburg
, Virginia
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,226
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You might also consider a Dometic "Curve" toilet. It is very light and only costs about $125. We only pea in it but it works well for us. If this doesn't work well for you then go to the composting toilet.
Dan
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