Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-07-2004, 06:50 AM   #1
3 Rivet Member
 
andyfuson's Avatar
 
2004 25' International CCD
Stone Mountain , Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 103
Images: 15
Holding Tank sensors

My black water tank seems to read full as soon as any water hits the tank. It has done this since the day I bought the trailer, so I don't think it is a paper issue. Is there anything I can do about this or do these things just not work well?

Thanks, Andy
__________________

__________________
andyfuson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 08:32 AM   #2
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,002
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Your unit has the new style sensor so this should work ok. Prior sensors went south fairly quick.

Silvertwinkie has some problems with his also on his new trailer. Since you are under warranty you should probably have your dealer work this out. So far mine are working ok.....

Jack
__________________

__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 08:54 AM   #3
Sue 1235
 
2003 34' Classic
Palm Beach Gardens , Florida
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6
Unhappy Sensors

I probably have bad news for you. This is my 3rd Airstream and the sensors just don't work well. A flashlight down the toilet and water in the shower are the most reliable ways to check!!!!!!!!

Sue
__________________
Sue Yeutter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 09:34 AM   #4
Just a member
 
thenewkid64's Avatar
 
1978 28' Argosy 28
Tampa Bay , Florida
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,539
Images: 21
Send a message via AIM to thenewkid64 Send a message via Yahoo to thenewkid64 Send a message via Skype™ to thenewkid64
There is supposed to be a calibration process that MUST be done when the tank is empty. If the calibration was lost this could cause your troubles.
__________________
Brett G
WBCCI #5501 AIR # 49
-------------------------
1978 Argosy 28 foot Motorhome

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. -- Plato


thenewkid64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 09:50 AM   #5
Rivet Master
 
Kistler's Avatar
 
2002 25' Classic
Oro Valley , Arizona
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 835
Ours reads full after first flush with a little toilet paper; I think the toilet paper must not slide by the sensor(s).
__________________
Kistler & Brenda

2002 Classic 25'
2003 Expedition EB 5.4L, AWD, AdvanceTrac Class IV hitch pkg. Reese dual cam/Prodigy
Kistler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 01:04 PM   #6
Retired Moderator
 
john hd's Avatar
 
1992 29' Excella
madison , Wisconsin
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 4,644
Images: 40
anyone ever find out what the calibration process entails?

if you do please post it!

john
__________________
you call them ferrets, i call them weasels.
john hd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 01:27 PM   #7
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,334
Same problem with mine. I did the re-calibration process and it worked a bit. The fresh tank seems to work best, followed by the gray then black.

Gray when totally empty reads 3/8 full. Black registers totally full with a gallon or so in the tank.

The calibration process is a major PITA. Reason being is that you not only do an empty reading, but you also do a full one and it calculates the tank levels from that. In a Safari C that means that you will fill the 39 gal fresh tank, the 39 gal gray tank an 18 gallons in the black tank for a total of 96 gallons to compete the calibration test if all tanks are not working correctly. Somewhere it says in the manual you can do individual tanks, but I have yet to get it to work.

I actually spoke with the owner of the company that made the unit. He walked me through a few things. Needless to say, when I'm at Jackson Center, I'll be having them calibrate it or replace it since it too does not work as well as the owner told me it does.

Eric
__________________
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 01:30 PM   #8
Just a member
 
thenewkid64's Avatar
 
1978 28' Argosy 28
Tampa Bay , Florida
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,539
Images: 21
Send a message via AIM to thenewkid64 Send a message via Yahoo to thenewkid64 Send a message via Skype™ to thenewkid64
Thanks for the clarification Eric. I was wrong when I said they have to be empty They have to be full Maybe the flashlight system is the best???
__________________
Brett G
WBCCI #5501 AIR # 49
-------------------------
1978 Argosy 28 foot Motorhome

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. -- Plato


thenewkid64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 01:37 PM   #9
Aluminut
 
Silvertwinkie's Avatar
 
2004 25' Safari
. , Illinois
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,334
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenewkid64
Thanks for the clarification Eric. I was wrong when I said they have to be empty They have to be full Maybe the flashlight system is the best???
You were actually right Brett. They have to be empty for the first reading, but then you need to fill them to complete the process. I'll tell you what, the worst of the lot is the black tank and for now, the flashlight is what is working best.

Hard to believe, but our 2003 Bambi with the old system worked flawlessly. I know some folks had issues with the old system....now since we bought a new coach...with the new and improved tank monitoring system...I find I share the same pain others have had with the tank monitoring system. How ironic.

Actually, if anyone wants a PDF version of the process, the owner fella I spoke with sent them to me...PM me with your email address and I will send them to anyone that is interested. Keep in mind that the new coaches should have these documents in the paperwork that came with the coach.
__________________
Silvertwinkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 02:39 PM   #10
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,002
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Keep in mind for those of you with older units that this is a new sensing system different than what you have seen in the past (2004 may be its first year). I agree that I have never had a black water sensor in any trailer that didn't fail shortly after we began using it. The new system is supposed to get by the problems left by debris on the walls of the tank.
Obviously it has its own hangups as experienced by Eric.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 02:46 PM   #11
Just a member
 
thenewkid64's Avatar
 
1978 28' Argosy 28
Tampa Bay , Florida
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 4,539
Images: 21
Send a message via AIM to thenewkid64 Send a message via Yahoo to thenewkid64 Send a message via Skype™ to thenewkid64
From what I have read many of the new sensors work on a gross density basis. I don't know if the new Airstream ones work this way, but I bet they do.

The empty tank reading on the calibration is to set the minimum. The full tank reading sets a max density. The system then has a base line for comparison. Like one of the electronic stud finders. There are no probes to get gunked up since the sensors read through the walls of the tank.
__________________
Brett G
WBCCI #5501 AIR # 49
-------------------------
1978 Argosy 28 foot Motorhome

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. -- Plato


thenewkid64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 04:50 PM   #12
3 Rivet Member
 
andyfuson's Avatar
 
2004 25' International CCD
Stone Mountain , Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 103
Images: 15
Okay, so you can try to calibrate, but how?

Are there controls on the back? I only have three swithes on the front of the panel.

It is too much trouble to haul the trailer to the dealer, and I am not sure that they could do anythibg with it anyhow. I had mentioned this to someone there after my first trip, and they said that it should straighten itself out!
__________________
andyfuson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 05:04 PM   #13
Moderator
 
jcanavera's Avatar

 
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton , Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 9,002
Images: 143
Send a message via AIM to jcanavera Send a message via Skype™ to jcanavera
Quote:
Originally Posted by andyfuson
Okay, so you can try to calibrate, but how?
Have you gone through your documentation that you received when your trailer was delivered? Airstream includes a small booklet from the manufacturer which details the process.

Jack
__________________
Jack Canavera
STL Mo.
AIR #56
'04 Classic 30' S.O.,'03 GMC Savana 2500,'14 Honda CTX 700
jcanavera is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-07-2004, 08:52 PM   #14
LEV ZEPPELIN
 
crazylev's Avatar
 
2004 19' International CCD
Chicago , Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 930
Images: 10
Like Eric and the others have mentioned, the tap water tank is the most accurite. If I take a flashlight and place it on the fresh water tank and I can see the white translucent plastic my tank looks about 1/2 full, and that is what the control panel reads.

Our black tank not only showed Full after a short amount of time, but the red full indicater was blinking. The gray showed full and it started flashing at us, and to get an idea of just how full, we just kept filling, normal usage, until we saw water start to acumulate in the shower. Just sink and dish water. I then drained off about a gallon until the shower was empty, and off to the dump station.

Not real scientific, but it gave us an idea of just what kind of usage we were actually getting. And you can actually hear the water as it trys to get in the shower base.

Even though our black tank read full, there was just no way it could be, because as dumb as this sounds, I kinda kept a mental check of how much of what was gettin in there. The bowl fills with about a quart or so of water each flush, plus a quick spritz with the bowl spray.

A flashlight is handy to.
__________________

__________________
Sometimes I wish I were living in the stone age. Then I would know I'm the smartest person in the world.
crazylev is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
That pesky grey water that bypases the holding tank Van All Argosy Trailers 15 08-13-2004 08:52 AM
Pulled the plug out of the Holding Tank? ssolid Fresh Water Systems 0 03-24-2004 12:13 PM
Holding tank warming TomW Repairing/Replacing Floor &/or Frame 5 01-07-2004 12:03 PM
Holding tank plumbing question yukionna 1997 - 2004 Bambi 15 09-10-2003 09:00 PM
Replacing Metal Box for holding tank Mike Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 11 10-26-2002 04:40 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.