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Old 06-04-2002, 06:49 PM   #15
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Your drawing is an accurate depiction of the waste water flow. With regard to the grey water on the ground, diffrent states have diffrent rulings on the issue. You will need check with the managers of the campgrounds or park that you check in to. I know that it is allowed in some, but double check, because it could lead to a fine if it is illegal.
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Old 08-01-2005, 10:10 PM   #16
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Removable Blueboy Greywater Tank

Has anyone come up with a way to have a cassette greywater tank?

The tank should hold about 25 gals and be removable to go to the dumping station.

Maybe I'm dreaming but why not use (1) greywater tank 100% of the time instead of having two, one fixed and one with wheels.

Are the blueboys used for black water shuttles too?
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Old 08-01-2005, 11:09 PM   #17
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Are the blueboys used for black water shuttles too?
Some do...we don't.

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Old 08-02-2005, 09:42 AM   #18
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Has anyone come up with a way to have a cassette greywater tank?

The tank should hold about 25 gals and be removable to go to the dumping station.

Maybe I'm dreaming but why not use (1) greywater tank 100% of the time instead of having two, one fixed and one with wheels.

Are the blueboys used for black water shuttles too?

wow, old thread, from when I was a newbie....

but since then, I have learned that there are occasions where you want to be able to dump grey water onto the ground. should the need arise, it is nice to have that flexibility. its never ok to dump black water on the ground. but if its kept isolated in its own seperate tank, you can go a long while in between dump station visits. Grey water is usually more of a problem....and even if you have a seperate tank for it, its not an unpleasant task to drop it into a blue-boy and shuttle it over to a dump. (oh, and a 25 gallon "casette" would be too heavy to lift in and out of the trailer...but not a problem if you have a large, 4-wheeler that you can tow to the dumpstation.)

You don't want to do that w/ the black tank. trust me. You "can" do it, in a pinch, but having done it myself, and having just recently been in close proximity to someone else that was doing it, it wasn't pretty. but it is do-able. (hey, if you have to, you have to.).

I think manufacturers have asked themselves the same question, though: "why not just use one tank?". and they haven't been able to arrive at the same conclusion that I have. So they put in one single large tank in some newer models. I can only assume that they're thinking that the end-users will never need to or want to dump anywhere but a sanitary facility, and therefore, don't need any sort of flexibility. Personally, I wouldn't buy a new camper with a single tank. If nothing else, I'll always be able to let grey-water drain onto the ground on my own property.

just one tip, should you ever decide to shuttle black-water using a blue-boy: USE A SLINKY.
this joker that was ahead of me at the dumpstation last weekend...he ran into a problem, couldn't get pumped out because it was the weekend, and had to empty his black tank. so he used the blue boy. (fine, if you must). Problem was, he didnt' use a slinky when he was dumping the blue-boy into the 4" hole at the dump station. he took the cover off the tank, lifted up the other end, and a GUSHER of liquified poop spewed all over the F*$(*#n place, followed by an odiferous cloud which proceeded to envelope everyone within a hundred feet of him. (dumb-ass!! ). of course, it also left god-knows-what all over the place for the next guy in line. (me).
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just one tip, should you ever decide to shuttle black-water using a blue-boy: USE A SLINKY.
this joker that was ahead of me at the dumpstation last weekend...he ran into a problem, couldn't get pumped out because it was the weekend, and had to empty his black tank. so he used the blue boy. (fine, if you must). Problem was, he didnt' use a slinky when he was dumping the blue-boy into the 4" hole at the dump station. he took the cover off the tank, lifted up the other end, and a GUSHER of liquified poop spewed all over the F*$(*#n place, followed by an odiferous cloud which proceeded to envelope everyone within a hundred feet of him. (dumb-ass!! ). of course, it also left god-knows-what all over the place for the next guy in line. (me).
At International...there were a couple of outhouses set up near the vintage parking area for convienence due to smaller tanks. There was also a dump location a bit further away...but some lazy idiot choose to empty their Blue Boy full of black water into one of the outhouses! Same thing, obviously no slinky was used and 'it' gushed...'stuff' E V E R Y W H E R E ! All I hope is that they got covered in 'splashback' and it ruined their day! I pitied the poor folks that got to clean up that mess up...

BTW the sanitation folks at International were the BEST! They get extra kudos from me ~ they were a church group raising moneies for their local building project...talk about a service project!

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Old 08-10-2005, 03:02 PM   #20
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tanks for the advice...

... ho ho... that's bad.... anyway, i'm at the point where i need to decide about the tank set-up on my trailer as well. i am putting in an oversized fresh water tank under the floor of our 18 footer (32 gallons). it hangs down 4 inches, so i hope it's not too disruptive to the look from the side. it'll all be covered by a stainless steel support pan... but back to my point. at the rear, i have a 27 gallon tank, originally intended for grey water, and the toilet in the back would theoretically dump into one of those above floor black tanks.

i had thought about ditching the black tank and having it all dump into the 27, but upon thinking it through, i think i've decided to keep 3 tanks, and have a secondary pump that would pump the grey water into the black tank to help wash out the nasties, with a macerator pump hooked to the bottom of the black to make dumping a snap. i still need to draw this out so i don't forget anything.

am i over-engineering this?
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I have no problem with the concept, but more engineering will be required for your 18 foot Airstream to physically carry/support the additional mass.

That could be a lot of weight.
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Old 08-10-2005, 03:31 PM   #22
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Funny, you are thinking about going bigger in an 18' and I am thinking about going smaller in a 25'.

I would like to reduce the weight when I redo our Tradewind.

Less water, less grey and less black equals less mass to move and mass equals gas.
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Old 08-10-2005, 03:41 PM   #23
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Funny, you are thinking about going bigger in an 18' and I am thinking about going smaller in a 25'.

I would like to reduce the weight when I redo our Tradewind.

Less water, less grey and less black equals less mass to move and mass equals gas.
No, what is really "funny" is that the cheapest & easiest solution is already available to you - Be your own "Turd Patrol", and don't fill up your tanks if you worry about gas.
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so, what's a reasonable size for tanks, then? mine didn't have anything in it. the previous owner had removed pretty much everything but the wheels. does anyone know what an 18 footer came with?

this is my first camper as well. i want to make sure i have enough water for an occasional shower and a long weekend. 32 is all i could fit in ours, without going above floor, and loosing precious interior space. 15 feet gets eaten up quick!

a 32 gallon tank should weigh in around 225. i think when i mount it, i should run 3 straps up to the floor as well as the snug fitting pan. bad bumps could make that 225 feel more like 400, i bet. that's a thump i wouldn't want to hear. ha!
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...without going above floor, and loosing precious
interior space. 15 feet gets eaten up quick!...
I'm fairly sure your Airstream originally had an above floor freshwater tank. While I can't comment on the black tank or whether it even had one, I know it did not have a gray water tank.

While my Airstream is newer than yours, check my website if you are interested in how the above floor tank integrates into the gaucho. A link is in my signature.

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Old 08-10-2005, 04:29 PM   #26
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A-Merry-Can,

FYI, water weighs 8.345 pounds per U.S. Gallon.

Your 32 gallon tank, full, will weigh in at ~ 267 pounds + the tank. Not that it matters.
Gee, that's a lot of water capacity for such a short unit.

My '65 Safari (22') came with ~ 30 gallons mounted atop the floor/forward.
My '85 Sovereign (25') came with ~ 50 gallons mounted below the floor/tween the axles.
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yeah, waste tanks and their contents can weigh alot, but who says you have to drive any great distance with them full? I'd want them just to get me from my camp site to the dumpstation.

I don't think you're over-engineering it. Now's the time, when you have it apart!

check this thread for some fabulous 3-d renderings of a system similar to what you've described (mascerators, transferring grey water to black tank, etc)

http://www.airforums.com/forum...&threadid=8560

Of course, this is a much larger trailer, but I'm sure you could adapt these concepts to work.
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You'll have to excuse my ignorance...never owned any kind of camper before.... So is it ok to just dump grey water onto the ground like that? I suppose it must depend on your location.... (snip)
It's legal in NM and AZ, but local regulations (public or private) can preempt the statewide rules. Furthermore, neither state allows gray water from the kitchen onto the ground, so that part of it has to go into the black water tank.

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