Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 08-09-2005, 12:02 PM   #1
1 Rivet Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 9
Images: 2
Thumbs up Eliminate black water tank?

As I was removing the sludge that used to be plywood from above my black water tank (1966 Safari) I noticed a crack in the black water tank just below where the toilet connects. Not having $450 to spend on a reproduction tank, and not having the skills to recreate the rusted galvanized casing around it, my thought was just to bypass it altogether. Considering the small capacity of the original tank, and considering that it will fill up pretty fast with black and gray water anyway, I am considering plumbing it in such a way that all drain water goes straight into a 25 or 32 gallon Tote-N-Stor type portable tank sitting on the ground. Has anyone else used this poor man's method?
__________________

__________________
macman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 12:11 PM   #2
Rivet Master
 
AYRSTRM2's Avatar
 
1966 22' Safari
Armada , Michigan
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 939
Images: 4
No, I haven't. But let me say this: When camping without sewer hookup, the grey pretty much has to go into a blue tank anyhow, for the reason you state. Sewage goes into the black tank, but only fills after about 3 days of two people using it. I would try to keep your black tank, there are other options out there that cost less, some of the hard core restorers here know where, just search the threads.

As for the galvanized box, you can salvage what you can and then hold it to the frame with L channel steel, both along the front and the back, I think PizzaChop has pictures that show this method and it works equally well for us '60's owners.

Before you let everything go, let's try to see what we can do to keep your coach with it's original functionality.

Oh, and I'm going to be redoing my bath this fall, and would like to know about your experience in this matter!

John
__________________

__________________
AYRSTRM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 03:09 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
Foiled Again's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Vintage Kin Owner
Virginia Beach , Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 5,883
Don't camp next to me...

Don't camp next to me if you don't have a black water tank. Poo STINKS!

You'll probably gross & gas yourself out of the campground before your neighbors complain, OR you'll run to the campground bathroom for everything... not pleasant at 2:00 am, or you'll be hauling your stanky, nasty tank to the dump station every day - twice if you've got more than one or two people in your trailer.

You may find that you can't pass a state inspection (depends on the state) and you'll certainly find that you can't go boondocking in state or federal parks without facilities to store your waste. (Of course if you want to leave a ....tty mess behind you, you dig a hole and in the dark of night bury it, but who knows what the "scent" will attract? ).

Shop around, you may find a workable plastic tank for less - maybe a current model's tank would fit? Lots of people have done repairs with fiberglass, etc. Use your "search" tool.

Tin Lizzie
__________________
Foiled Again is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 03:13 PM   #4
Rivet Monster
 
wahoonc's Avatar

 
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak , North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 7,174
Images: 40
Another possiblity would be to replace the toilet/black tank assembly with a chemical porta potti. Years ago we had a small homebuilt TT and that was the bathroom showers were taken out side from a bucket with a spigot and valve on it

Aaron
__________________
....so many Airstreams....so little time...
WBCCI #XXXX AIR #2495
Why are we in this basket...and where are we going
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 03:55 PM   #5
1 Rivet Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 9
Images: 2
AYSTRM2 - thanks for the good advice. Maybe you can help me understand where it is along the pipes that there is a differentiation between gray and black water. I mean, it is obvious how the black water gets in to the black water tank since the toilet sits right on top of it, but where does the gray water from sinks and shower tie in? I have the original owners manual (let me know if you need any scans of it) and it mentions that I have a choice between sending gray water to the ground or to the black water tank. I am not finding the mechanism that would allow this (not that I would send gray water to the ground) but I would need to find this to divert gray to a portable blue tank.

I am an inexperience RVer (as in ZERO experience) so I apologize for agitating anyone - there was a reply that suggested I was going to dump my black water on the ground. I would never do that - I assumed that black water in the original AS tank would not smell any worse than black water in a sealed external, portable tank. My bad.
__________________
macman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 04:16 PM   #6
Rivet Master
 
AYRSTRM2's Avatar
 
1966 22' Safari
Armada , Michigan
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 939
Images: 4
Hee hee, clever aren't they, with that grey water/black water "functionality"? Here's how it works (these are your choices):

1.Remove the cap on the waste outlet, it's a thetford fitting. You would attach your sewer hose here. Keep your sewer valve door closed. You now have grey water draining out of the coach through this outlet. Attach a sewer hose or garden hose to allow grey water to drain off. Sewer water goes into black tank. Tow vehicle to the camp dump to empty black tank, see 2.

2. Does as 1. above. Attach a sewer hose to your outlet and put the other end in a sewer pipe at your local campground. Pull up on your sewer valve, below the toilet and the "Sewage" drains out into the hose and the bowels of the earth ( I think).

3. Don't do either 1 or 2. Leave cap on sewer outlet. Pull up on the sewer valve. Grey water will now flow into the black tank. You then have to close the valve and go somewhere or use something to get the waste out of the black tank. If you let this go too long, this tank will start to back up into your tub and yuck. Also, you will have a small amount of the sewer/grey combo water that will be trapped between the cap and the valve and when you remove the cap you cannot avoid dumping that tea cup amount of yuck on the ground.

NOW, let me state this. If you use a blue tank to dump your sewer tank, well, that's what it is designed for. No one should have a problem with you doing that, as you should be able to prevent almost all spillage at your camp site and there won't be any smell. I disagree that it's smelly and disgusting and bad camping. Not true. Those of you who don't like it will be at a sewer site anyway, and won't have to witness this.

short story is, you should fix your tank to give you most flexibility. Stay at campsites with sewer connections, cause the blue tank for even grey water is a pain, but don't shy away from great camps that don't have them, just don't try to save the 5 bucks from one site to another.

And thanks, but I do have the owner's manual too!

John
__________________
AYRSTRM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 04:46 PM   #7
Rivet Master
 
TomW's Avatar
 
1967 26' Overlander
Huntsville , Alabama
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,918
Images: 2
macman,

Your black tank can possibly be repaired. It sounds like a mild case of what I encountered.

Your galvanized box can be rebuilt by a local sheetmetal shop for a reasonable fee.

I highly recommend you consider keeping a black tank in your Airstream.

My repair to the tank, and rebuilding of the box are at my website (link in my signature). Black tank repair cost - about $20. Galvanized box - $22 parts but I had access to cool tools. A local shop wanted $75 to build it.

Tom
TomW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 04:59 PM   #8
Rivet Master
 
AYRSTRM2's Avatar
 
1966 22' Safari
Armada , Michigan
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 939
Images: 4
Tom's the master and has an excellent photo of using the angle iron to support the galvanized box. His 67 isn't identical to the '66's but close enough to get the idea.

John

Quote:
Originally Posted by TomW
macman,

Your black tank can possibly be repaired. It sounds like a mild case of what I encountered.

Your galvanized box can be rebuilt by a local sheetmetal shop for a reasonable fee.

I highly recommend you consider keeping a black tank in your Airstream.

My repair to the tank, and rebuilding of the box are at my website (link in my signature). Black tank repair cost - about $20. Galvanized box - $22 parts but I had access to cool tools. A local shop wanted $75 to build it.

Tom
__________________
AYRSTRM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 05:20 PM   #9
1 Rivet Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 7
Does anyone put a composting toilet in? There are lots of them out there, good for the environment, etc... This is what we are planning to do but it seems like nobody is doing it this way...is there a reason?
__________________
Warmly,
Erica
Living the Full Catastrophe is much easier when you can drive away for a while.
2kids&adog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 10:10 PM   #10
Rivet Master
 
AYRSTRM2's Avatar
 
1966 22' Safari
Armada , Michigan
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 939
Images: 4
I read a funny story a long time ago about a composting toilet that never composted.... Wish I remember where that was. Ah, those were the days...

John
__________________
AYRSTRM2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-09-2005, 10:18 PM   #11
Site Team
 
Janet H's Avatar

 
1964 26' Overlander
1964 19' Globetrotter
Eastern , Washington
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 12,447
Images: 90
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2kids&adog
Does anyone put a composting toilet in? There are lots of them out there, good for the environment, etc... This is what we are planning to do but it seems like nobody is doing it this way...is there a reason?
There have been several (heated) discusions about this on the forums. Use the search tool... here are a few of the threads you'll find.

composting v incinerating

Portapottys

More than you ever wanted to know .....
__________________
1964 Overlander | '08 Touareg V6
Current Project: 1964 Globetrotter

.
Let's have a polishing party: I'll supply the trailer and buffing supplies. BYOB (bring your own buffer)

AirForums Custom Search
Janet H is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 03:49 PM   #12
1 Rivet Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 9
Images: 2
Photo

I have added a photo of the remnants of the black water tank pan. It is in my gallery if anyone is interested. I will be adding a picture of the tank as soon as I can figure out how to cut the vent pipe! It is a tight fit back there between all the copper and hot water heater and the bathroom wall. Thanks to everyone for their responses. I am determined to repair the tank, have the pan fabricated someplace, then see if I can piece all of this back together. The good news is that the trailer frame all around this section appears to have only minor surface rust. I hope to piece back in replacement plywood without removing the shower - the wood is solid under the shower and the water heater. It is not so good under the Univolt though. Does a Univolt hold a charge after the trailer is unplugged and the battery is disconnected? Don't want to get shocked.
__________________
macman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2005, 04:34 PM   #13
Rivet Master
 
TomW's Avatar
 
1967 26' Overlander
Huntsville , Alabama
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 2,918
Images: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by macman
...Does a Univolt hold a charge after the trailer is unplugged and the battery is disconnected? ...
Here is a link to macman's old galvanized box.

Good move to save the black tank. Feel free to PM me if I can share additional insight.

The Univolt will not hold a charge after the trailer is unplugged and the battery disconnected. If you want to prove it to yourself, turn on a light (any light) after both shore power & battery are disconnected. No light = no shock (although 12 vdc is not enough to get your attention even if something was hot).

Tom
TomW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2005, 10:07 PM   #14
2 Rivet Member
 
Trailer Girl's Avatar
 
1964 26' Overlander
Nampa , Idaho
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 32
Images: 11
Black Tank and Galvanized pan

My pan was much worse that macman's ! The local AC/Heating place built me a new one for $75.00- I sprayed it with undercoating in hopes that when it is 100 years old someone else will not have to go thru that again!
__________________

__________________
Trailer Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
63' tradewinds black water tank Pberrini Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 1 09-22-2002 01:57 PM
Replacing Black Water Tank Tamara Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 15 06-18-2002 11:45 PM
Size of black water tank glyoungca Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 3 06-10-2002 05:17 PM
Flushing Black Water Tank ViewRVs General Motorhome Topics 3 05-16-2002 03:59 PM
Black Water Tank Flush-Install JaceBeck Waste Systems, Tanks & Totes 0 04-30-2002 12:54 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:51 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.