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Old 01-21-2012, 10:48 AM   #57
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I'm not trying to make you feel guilty. It's great that you do all that. Now how 'bout a little more?
To expand on one of Robwok's points, the very act of manufacturing travel trailers and trucks, and then hauling them into the woods to go "camping", has an effect on this planet that is more damaging, complex, and difficult to discuss (amongst us trailer owners) than dishwater will ever have.
But- I'm curious: what do you propose people do when hiking, backpacking, tent-camping, hunting, etc? Or would you ban those activities that necessitate the occasional watering of the local landscape with dishwater, solar-shower water, and pee?
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:23 PM   #58
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To expand on one of Robwok's points, the very act of manufacturing travel trailers and trucks, and then hauling them into the woods to go "camping", has an effect on this planet that is more damaging, complex, and difficult to discuss (amongst us trailer owners) than dishwater will ever have.
But- I'm curious: what do you propose people do when hiking, backpacking, tent-camping, hunting, etc? Or would you ban those activities that necessitate the occasional watering of the local landscape with dishwater, solar-shower water, and pee?
That's why I have a used trailer, me buck. Also, most backpackers don't use gallons of water. It's nice for one's feelings to say, "I do all this stuff, so I'm not worrying about grey water," but you're not the only one out there, y'know? Leave No Trace isn't actually possible. Dumping grey water isn't "harmless". Mainly, I think it's hilarious that all this energy is being expended trying to rationalise that it is so you aren't put to the trouble of taking it back out.

You guys really prod easily, don't you? Seriously, you're going to do what you're going to do.
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:40 PM   #59
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Arrow Game over, Result a draw..........

When I was a kid, we used to play a game called "capture the flag"

I think what is going on here is a adaption called "capture the goat".

The only problem is that both sides have revealed the location of their goat.

I suggest you each once again conceal your goat's location and start over.

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Old 01-21-2012, 01:49 PM   #60
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The problem with your theory is that there's this thing called a "wind up"...
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Old 01-21-2012, 01:54 PM   #61
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Actually I don't think we use any more water in the trailer, about 2.5 gallons a day per person than we do when backpacking and no backpacker is taking that out.
Actually that is not quite true, I have been on caving expeditions where we retained and packed everything out, and I do mean EVERYTHING.
It is hard to get excited about a small amount of grey water when camped in a field with 100 cows. Been there done that
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Old 01-21-2012, 02:13 PM   #62
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Actually I don't think we use any more water in the trailer, about 2.5 gallons a day per person than we do when backpacking and no backpacker is taking that out.
Actually that is not quite true, I have been on caving expeditions where we retained and packed everything out, and I do mean EVERYTHING.
It is hard to get excited about a small amount of grey water when camped in a field with 100 cows. Been there done that
Lol - no, I'd say a field of cows is its own environmental hazard...
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Lightbulb Here is a solution

Anyone who is in this area is welcome to dump their gray (not black) tank on my front or back lawn. The water is obviously good for the lawn. The detergent that might be in it breaks up the soil to some degree and helps the water penetrate rather than evaporate. Any small food particles will quickly breakdown and contribute nutrients to the grass. If you spit watermelon seeds into the sink, perhaps I can harvest some next summer.

If you pee or poop in your shower or galley sink or vanity sink, this offer is void.

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Old 01-21-2012, 02:29 PM   #64
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I'll be right over!
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I'll be right over!
Just as long as you have a notarized statement regarding the peeing and pooping disclaimer.

I am somewhat concerned about the origin of your heightened sensitivity to gray water.

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Papabear Whitmore. Can we arrange visiting hours with The Cats at the same time?!
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Papabear Whitmore. Can we arrange visiting hours with The Cats at the same time?!
I take that as a compliment.

You may visit the cats any time you wish. Daisy is always happy to see company. Tiger is as sweet a cat as I have known, but he is scared to death of people he doesn't know. That includes Susan and I until he hears our voices. I don't think his vision is very good.
The only one of the older cats that is still with us is Kougar. Ember passed away about two weeks ago from the effects of old age. ( Kidney failure and extreme anemia) she was 19 1/2. She and her sister Ashlee, who passed away last year, were the two original cats that came with us when we moved here from Washington State in 1993.

If you haven't seen this thread, it has all six of them that were with us for Christmas 2009
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f239...ets-59102.html
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I have seen it! They're all so cute. I just wished our pets lived longer...

One of my cats (the ex got the kids) is one of the really shy ones -- there are people who have been in and out of that house for years and have never seen the cat!
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That's why I have a used trailer, me buck.
Zlee- priceless reply! Gotta run, time for "Portlandia" on Hulu...Happy trails to you!
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A few ounces of bleach might attenuate the bacteria growth and buy you time before finding a dump station. I'm adding a 20 gallon tank to my caravel and would like to thank every one who has contributed to this post and will keep my tanks seporate.
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