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Old 01-18-2012, 11:46 AM   #29
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Sorry, but I think the whole gray water thing is such nonsense. We use organic biodegradeable soaps. When it comes time, I'll be looking for places that would allow the dumping of gray water. I stopped at a friends house and hooked up to his shore and water supply. He was happy to allow extra water to water the ground. I realize most campsites don't allow it. However, it seems silly. I have been to a campsite that had an outside shower, and outdoor spigot. People took showers (with suits on) and washed their dishes at the spigot. To think that somehow the same activities inside a trailer magically transforms those same activities into a biological nightmare just because they ran several feet through ABS is ridiculous. Maybe someday we'll see a campground that has sand filters at each spot for folks greywater and only hookups for black. Makes much better ecological sense. I have been looking for ways to add gray water to my home system. Especially in a place like Colorado or AZ, you would think they would want the extra water topside.
I think this issue comes down to the Golden Rule, would you want to camp in a spot where someone just dumped his 37 gallon gray water tank? I know I would not. I only camp with and where people adhere to the " leave no trace" rule. An AS is built to be self contained; bring it in and take it out. So where's the problem? Even though I usually boon-dock I have never found locating a dumping station to be a problem or a particularly long drive. It is just part of the route planning. My gray tank fills up in a week, by which time I am ready to hitch up and move on to the next place anyway.

My idiot brother opened his gray water valve and then drove out of a campsite onto the road while trailing gray water. He went about five miles before he was pulled over by a local cop who promptly issued a $60 ticket. He got no sympathy from me.
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:18 PM   #30
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I think this issue comes down to the Golden Rule, would you want to camp in a spot where someone just dumped his 37 gallon gray water tank? I know I would not.
While I am an advocate of gray water dumping I do agree with you. Gray water should not be retained for days in a tank and then dumped haphazardly. Ideally though it can be caught promptly in a bucket and broadcast among the bushes with no problem. If you hold 37 gallons that is only 5 gallons a day in a 7 day period spread over a large area.
I can assure you that if you would follow me into a campsite there would be no trace(or puddles) other than my tire marks
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Old 01-18-2012, 12:41 PM   #31
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If you hold 37 gallons that is only 5 gallons a day in a 7 day period spread over a large area.
So, if there are four of you doing it...
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:12 PM   #32
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I just realized that I was thinking from my perspective of mainly camping in wide open spaces. I prefer to avoid the campsites where you can see the other campers, unless my intention was to go to a rally or something. You may as well just park in a parking lot that has a playground with some of these places. I look at my camper as a way to get away from it all, not as a vehicle to go into a crowded area with people who are camping. Most of the crowded campsites I've gone too smelled of pine smoke, cheap beer, and body odor. And music that was in the bargain bin at the Walmart they stopped at on the way in. The few I was thrilled with provided me the comfort of home in an isolated place and I left it as I came - or better - I've had my kids do litter cleanup that's not ours just to instill the principle of leave it better than you found it. If they're bored, I even have them stack firewood for the next camper if they can find it amongst the deadfall.

I think the point I was trying to make was that I have a 40 gallon freshwater tank. If I know that I would be dribbling that out with a full open valve, I'm going to intentionally NOT put anything in the drain that's a problem. However, you have to make the rules for the inconsiderate jerks out there, but the biodegradable stuff gets buried (lettuce, tomato, bread), and everything else is packed out. No, I don't think it's appropriate to pop the cork and leave a trail of gray water all over for people to walk and drive through, but over 7 days of intermittent use, I would expect just about any area, unless I'm sitting in a clay depression, to absorb that amount of water in the summer. And don't think that if I'm 2 miles from the campsite and my 4 year old son has to go, that I'm going to deprive him of the same tree the coyotes use just because we're uptight people in this century who have no idea where an egg comes from and that everything in nature is dirty.

They ought to even make sprayers to hook on the end of the Thetford valve to widen the area of drainage, with maybe a screen to catch anything that was large enough to be seen.

Draining gray water openly wouldn't work in a super heavy used campsite with lots of spots, but it would be fine in one that was spaced out where different campers would park in different spots. Again though, I don't think everyone would think through everything that goes down the drain, and that would be a problem. However, I'm not going to feel a bit guilty for parking on a wooded lot or some farmland that someone has given me the permission to park on, and I water his property with clean water that has some small addition of phosphates that causes the grass to grow a little better later on. Keeping in mind I have an original 1964, and have few other options. I don't see packing 5 or 6 blue boys just to boondock in my 64. I'll just choose locations that allow a more natural campsite, and I'll take my trash and my blacktank water with me when I leave, and I'm sure mother nature will approve. In fact, I think from now on, I'll pack some flower seeds to sprinkle out on the spot at the beginning of my stay.
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Not that I think I'm going to change your mind or anything, Rob, but sometimes water isn't appropriate for an environment. Especially water that's loaded with even biodegradable stuff. Is it going to end the world if you dump a gray tank in a wilderness somewhere? No. But it might bring the end that much closer.
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Old 01-18-2012, 02:28 PM   #34
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Even if gray water might sometimes be safe water, incidents like the one in the link below create a perception hindering RVers from "dumping" anywhere other than designated dump stations. I always need fresh water before I need to discharge ... there are plenty in this area of the country so I always just make plans to use dump stations. Then again, my tank is combined gray/black, so I don't have any other option to consider.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-05...,5749199.story
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Old 01-18-2012, 02:31 PM   #35
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In a statement, the rock band said the gifts were an effort "to begin the healing process."
lol -- not to mention the public relations disaster!
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Yeah, funny "stuff" (as long as you weren't on the boat). Like something out of Chevy Chase National Lampoon's OR Robin Williams' RV....

"Passengers on the tour boat, Chicago's Little Lady, described a downpour of foul-smelling, brownish-yellow slurry that ruined their clothes and made several of them sick."
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We seldom camp without full hookups, but on teh couple of times we did, we soon found out how quickly the grey water tanked filled, even being very careful with showers.

I thought about buying a blue boy but didn't want to lug that around when we would hardly ever use it.

So I pent a couple of dollars to develop a two step strategy that I think will work for us - haven't needed to try it out yet.

First, I found plastic dishpans that are a perfect drop in fit to our stainless double sinks.

Using these, we can dump grey water from the sinks into the black tank - I figure this will extend our capacity considerably as the black tank lasts us a long, long, time - we have a house rule that we only pee in it unless there is no other option - hasn't happened yet in 13 years!


In case that doesn't entorely resolve things, I have another trick up my sleeve!

I bought s sewer drain cap that has a hose fitting with its own cap built in. I bought rigged up a short length of hose to connect to it.

I then bought one of those five gallon collapsible square poly fresh water "bags" we will never use ot for drinking water.

So now, If I need to, I can nuse this to transport gray water five gallons at a time to a dump station each time we leave the trailer.

In a pinch I also now have the ability to run a hose off my waste tank outlet cap anywhere else in case other options might be available!

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Old 01-18-2012, 03:12 PM   #38
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Paul.

It's very easy to figure out.

DON'T GO THERE.

You will create an absolute "HEALTH HAZARD", in doing what you would like to do.

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What possible "HEALTH HAZARD" is created by pumping or diverting some of the gray water into the black water tank?

In the houses we all live in they quite quickly mix with one another. I don't think the human waste from the toilet climbs back up into the sinks.

How about some facts to back up your "DRAMATIC" claim.

I'm pretty sure he's not contemplating using his fresh water sytem to effect the transfer.

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What possible "HEALTH HAZARD" is created by pumping or diverting some of the gray water into the black water tank?
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Not going to get into the health hazard claims however many years ago I capped off the outlet to allow sink water to go to the black tank. If you don't pay attention and you overfill. it will back up through the shower or bathtub drains and it is very unpleasant cleaning the mix out of the tub. To this day I keep an expanding stopper in the shower or bathtub ( depending on which trailer) and only remove it when actually in use.
It is not good to have "brown trout" swimming in your tub
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Not going to get into the health hazard claims however many years ago I capped off the outlet to allow sink water to go to the black tank. If you don't pay attention and you overfill. it will back up through the shower or bathtub drains and it is very unpleasant cleaning the mix out of the tub. To this day I keep an expanding stopper in the shower or bathtub ( depending on which trailer) and only remove it when actually in use.
It is not good to have "brown trout" swimming in your tub
In my opinion, moving water from the gray tank to the black tank is no problem, but doing anything that allows black water to enter the gray water tank or plumbing is not a good practice. If for no other reason, the gray tank outlet plumbing is not usually constructed to allow efficient rinsing. And of course, no matter what, it is a good idea to pay attention.

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In my opinion, moving water from the gray tank to the black tank is no problem, but doing anything that allows black water to enter the gray water tank or plumbing is not a good practice. If for no other reason, the gray tank outlet plumbing is not usually constructed to allow efficient rinsing. And of course, no matter what, it is a good idea to pay attention.

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Ken.

You answered your own question.

Also, it's not a matter of what may back up. it's also a matter of contamination of the gray water plumbing.

Anything, repeat anything, that can cause a health hazard issue, should by all means be avoided.

Any Doctor will attest to that.

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Anything, repeat anything, that can cause a health hazard issue, should by all means be avoided.

Any Doctor will attest to that.
These days it seems like everything is a health hazard. I'd stay home in bed, but they tell me that's hazardous to your health as well...!
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