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Old 05-16-2016, 08:24 AM   #29
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When we were in same space for two months last winter, we had the same problem with paper building up right below the toilet. I started filling the toilet with water and dropping all at once. That helped some. Then, I finally got a clean hose and filled the toilet with water and we dumped. Did this about three times to get mostly clean water coming out. Then, I discovered that the shower hose/wand easily reaches the toilet so will be much easier in the future. Out of 10 rigs, this is the first we have had this problem with--design, I guess. Did use a stick, too, before doing the big water dump. Using a plastic bag in covered wastebasket for pee paper also helps, obviously.
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Old 05-16-2016, 08:32 AM   #30
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Airstream waste systems are not designed to work in a unit parked for any length of time. Agitation of contents while driving is crucial. Accumulation of TP is basically operator error.

Yes, it can be dealt with as suggested, but it is important to recognize that this is not a design defect.

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Old 05-16-2016, 09:02 AM   #31
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Black water tank is jammed with tp

Back when black water tanks were smaller (12-20 gallon) I don't believe there were as many problems. The tanks were not 4"-5" deep and spread out between the frame rails.
The BW tank in my Argosy is 12 gallon and is above the floor. It is bottom discharge, not side discharge. It is about 8" deep a foot wide and maybe 3' long. It also has a sloped bottom.
After dumping the tank I can see the bottom of the tank and it is clean.
IMHO the wide flat tanks contribute to the build up issue. If one were to poor a gallon of water in a 3'x3' square flat bottom tank the liquid level might be 1/2". That is in 9 square feet. Now pour the same amount in a tank 3'x1'or 3 square feet. Now you have a 1 1/2" liquid level in comparison. Multiply this by several uses and you have a much higher liquid level which aids in keeping the solids submerged. It also aids in a higher head pressure when dumping.
I do believe there is a design flaw with the use of tanks with large flat bottoms.
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Old 05-16-2016, 09:35 AM   #32
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I do believe there is a design flaw with the use of tanks with large flat bottoms.
Respectfully disagree per earlier posts. Airstreams were never designed to be stationary units with residential waste piping.

Period.

Anyone who is having problems only needs to hook up the trailer and go on the road again, as was intended for the design.

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Old 05-16-2016, 10:09 AM   #33
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Airstream waste systems are not designed to work in a unit parked for any length of time. Agitation of contents while driving is crucial. Accumulation of TP is basically operator error.

Yes, it can be dealt with as suggested, but it is important to recognize that this is not a design defect.
There is absolutely nothing unique to the design of an Airstream sewage system. They use off the shelf tanks the same as every other RV manufacture. They are all sloped bottom tanks.

There are 2 factors that commonly cause the problem of toilet paper build up, commonly know as the Brown Mound. The first being campers that park in a sewer site with their black water dump valve open. There is a little more management required on the part of the camper other than flushing and walking away. The second is the fault of the manufacture who has designed a trailer with the toilet on the curb side of the trailer. This results in the water outrunning the solids, on the slope of the tank, when flushed.

The first issue can be managed the second can not, other than realizing never to buy another trailer so designed. No amount of exotic products, additional water, or wishful thinks will eliminate the second.

This all takes me back to the 1964 International, held here in Princeton. 4,000 trailer parked on a farm field without water, electric, or sewer. My in-laws visited that Rally and promptly went out and bought an Airstream. I never saw my father in law as happy as he was the Christmas he got his own post hole digger. We have come a long way but we are not there yet.
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Old 05-16-2016, 11:15 AM   #34
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A 1970's moment - a good hint about ways to move "mountains"

crank up the stabilizer jacks - and use your tongue jack up and down several times to gently create "surf" in the black or gray tank. Add extra warm water and detergent if desired. Repeat if necessary. And yes you CAN stick a high pressure hose down the toilet to blast the pile - but don't get too enthusiastic - ricochets are possible.

Bombing the target can work too. Get the biggest bucket you can lift, open the toilet drain and bombs away! that might not do it all, but you can repeat if you want. I'm personally not a huge fan of ice cubes - they float over any crap that's there unless there is zero water in the tank. I have used rid-x for years - even before they came out with a special formula (ptoohie) for RV's. Face it, doodie is doodie wherever it accumulates. Water and natural bacteria break it down the same way at pretty much the same rate - and lots of water is more effective than lots of chemical. Enzymes do a lot to alleviate that rotten celery smell.

I've also noted that when I don't have hookups and have to dump shower water down the toilet - that lots of gray water dumped in a relative hurry will bust up any hint of hills. And definitely traveling for 100 miles with a tank half full will really agitate both the gray and black tanks leading to a much more thorough flush.

Never used the plastic bag for paper trick, but once assisted a woman who used the toilet for disposable diapers! No one told her each one would absorb about 7 lbs of water on top of the contents of the diaper. It took a plastic cement mixing box from Home Depot, the use of an awning tool, followed by a sewer snake and generous amounts of water added from above to get the mess out. The woman who wasn't paying me, expected ME to do the "fishing" but I responded that it was HER RV, her child and her mistake, and if she wanted the mess cleaned up before her husband found out about it, she had two choices (1) do it herself or (2) spend a LOT of money to have a septic tank service Vaccuum it- and possibly damage the dump or toilet seals.

(You gonna make that kind of mess, sweetheart, you better not get pukey - lessen you wanna 'nother mess to wipe up.)
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I'm surprised that I have not yet seen anyone recommend any backflush method. I use a device marketed as FlushKing. It is very simply a gate valve that attaches to your waste tank discharge. It has a hose attachment and it allows you to shut down the outflow at the discharge and rapidly fill your waste tank allowing strong head pressure to facilitate dumping. I don't use it at every dump ( but you certainly could ) but I do use it several times a season and for sure if my trailer is going to sit awhile between trips. It has a clear outlet so you can even enjoy the show while insuring the final dumps are somewhat cleaner liquids. I find little to no bad odors and no blockages. At least none yet that is. Water, and lots of it, are your friend in this unpleasant process.
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Old 05-17-2016, 06:25 AM   #36
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Back flush method works well as long as you don't go off and forget about it. Our last fifth wheel had a system built in but I still stood inside and watched, just to make sure. The method we used worked fine with sewer hookup and plenty of water. We have to assume that only the newest rvers leave the black valve open AND I don't believe that Airstreams are meant to only stay on the road! It's all doable and it's not that hard.
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Old 05-17-2016, 09:29 AM   #37
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A 1970's moment - a good hint about ways to move "mountains"

crank up the stabilizer jacks - and use your tongue jack up and down several times to gently create "surf" in the black or gray tank. Add extra warm water and detergent if desired. Repeat if necessary. And yes you CAN stick a high pressure hose down the toilet to blast the pile - but don't get too enthusiastic - ricochets are possible.

Bombing the target can work too. Get the biggest bucket you can lift, open the toilet drain and bombs away! that might not do it all, but you can repeat if you want. I'm personally not a huge fan of ice cubes - they float over any crap that's there unless there is zero water in the tank. I have used rid-x for years - even before they came out with a special formula (ptoohie) for RV's. Face it, doodie is doodie wherever it accumulates. Water and natural bacteria break it down the same way at pretty much the same rate - and lots of water is more effective than lots of chemical. Enzymes do a lot to alleviate that rotten celery smell.

I've also noted that when I don't have hookups and have to dump shower water down the toilet - that lots of gray water dumped in a relative hurry will bust up any hint of hills. And definitely traveling for 100 miles with a tank half full will really agitate both the gray and black tanks leading to a much more thorough flush.

Never used the plastic bag for paper trick, but once assisted a woman who used the toilet for disposable diapers! No one told her each one would absorb about 7 lbs of water on top of the contents of the diaper. It took a plastic cement mixing box from Home Depot, the use of an awning tool, followed by a sewer snake and generous amounts of water added from above to get the mess out. The woman who wasn't paying me, expected ME to do the "fishing" but I responded that it was HER RV, her child and her mistake, and if she wanted the mess cleaned up before her husband found out about it, she had two choices (1) do it herself or (2) spend a LOT of money to have a septic tank service Vaccuum it- and possibly damage the dump or toilet seals.

(You gonna make that kind of mess, sweetheart, you better not get pukey - lessen you wanna 'nother mess to wipe up.)

Thanks for the laugh and sound doodie advice. Love KC and his Sunshine Band. I actually saw them perform once.
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Thanks for the laugh and sound doodie advice. Love KC and his Sunshine Band. I actually saw them perform once.
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Old 05-20-2016, 09:28 PM   #39
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When my trailer is not in use I keep the tank full of water with a larger amount of black tank treatment in it.
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Why does the black water tank on my 2007 25fb jam up with tp directly below the toilet? Always plenty of water. I have to use a stick to clear it out. Never used to happen.
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Old 10-26-2016, 11:03 PM   #41
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After cleaning out the black water. I add about 2 gallons of water with an enzyme. Are you using a tp that breaks down in water. You can test by putting a piece in a glass of water and stir. Some tp is made with chlorine and will destroy the black water tank enzymes. Some people don't close the valve. Good luck.
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One thing I have done for years and it would help in this situation. When dumping I open the black valve and let it flow till near empty. While the black valve is still open lift the hose to above the banana strip and open the gray valve and count to 10. Close the gray valve and drop the hose and let it completely drain. This sends a slug of water back into the black tank and provides a formative flush. Close the black valve and open the gray.
To make this process a bit easier, I use one of these on the tank valve: https://www.amazon.com/Valterra-T58-.../dp/B000BGHYJS

It's helpful because if either of your tank valves is leaking, it's a second valve to prevent a full-on leak. It eliminates any dribbling when you open your cap.

Also, it helps with the back flush - same procedure above without lifting the hose. Just close this valve while leaving the black valve open. Then open the gray for a bit, close it, and then open the main valve. I repeat this a few times and get a great flush of the black tank.
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