ABS Pipes

mello mike · 07-28-2009, 05:09 PM

Holy smokes!!! The ABS cement sets up in like 3 seconds. Hardly any time for tweaking or any other adjustments. Is this normal or is this related to the heat here? I did my vent/pipe reinstal last weekend and have to redo a small section tonight because of the quick setup. Any tips for an ABS rookie?

Jim Foster · 07-28-2009, 05:12 PM

I "pre fit" and mark orientation with a marker pen. That gives me a chance to beat the three second thing.

centennialman · 07-28-2009, 05:22 PM

I build water features as a hobby and use ABS pipes and cement all the time.

Pre cut and pre fit all pieces you are going to use. Lay everything out and put them together just like they will be when they are done. Then, mark each piece with a line so that it connects with the next piece.

Start at one end and use the purple primer/cleaner on one piece at a time and then the glue. When you apply the glue and push the piece into the other one, twist them slightly and then align them with the marks you drew on them. The twisting assures the glue is spread and aligning the marks guarantees a perfect fit. Hold each piece together for about 30 seconds directly after twisting. This assures that the pieces don't "push" back out.

The primer and glue cause an immediate chemical reaction to fuse the ABS pieces together.

Good luck!!

mello mike · 07-28-2009, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by centennialman

I build water features as a hobby and use ABS pipes and cement all the time.

Pre cut and pre fit all pieces you are going to use. Lay everything out and put them together just like they will be when they are done. Then, mark each piece with a line so that it connects with the next piece.

Start at one end and use the purple primer/cleaner on one piece at a time and then the glue. When you apply the glue and push the piece into the other one, twist them slightly and then align them with the marks you drew on them. The twisting assures the glue is spread and aligning the marks guarantees a perfect fit. Hold each piece together for about 30 seconds directly after twisting. This assures that the pieces don't "push" back out.

The primer and glue cause an immediate chemical reaction to fuse the ABS pieces together.

Good luck!!

Interesting. I haven't been using the primer/cleaner. Does this give one additional time before the glue takes hold?

**wahoonc** · 07-28-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mello mike

Interesting. I haven't been using the primer/cleaner. Does this give one additional time before the glue takes hold?

NO!

ABS is apparently a "softer" plastic than PVC and bonds almost instantly...

Aaron

centennialman · 07-29-2009, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mello mike

Interesting. I haven't been using the primer/cleaner. Does this give one additional time before the glue takes hold?

The purple primer starts the "melting/chemical process" as well as helps clean up the plastic before the glue is applied.

**wahoonc** · 07-28-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Foster

I "pre fit" and mark orientation with a marker pen. That gives me a chance to beat the three second thing.

Best advice^^^

Lay it out once, glue once. Only good thing is that it is easy to cut out with a sawzall.

and couplers are cheap.

Aaron

**Chuck** · 07-28-2009, 06:22 PM

why is it that they use the abs pipes in travel trailers, anyway? I mean, vs. pvc? lighter weight? cheaper? does it withstand movement/vibration better than pvc? just curious...

mello mike · 07-28-2009, 11:13 PM

Thanks everyone for the tips. My reinstallation went flawless tonight.

wkerfoot · 07-29-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck

why is it that they use the abs pipes in travel trailers, anyway? I mean, vs. pvc? lighter weight? cheaper? does it withstand movement/vibration better than pvc? just curious...

Chuck,

ABS is usually used for drain lines and sewer stacks. It comes in larger sizes than PVC. PVC is usually reserved for fresh water lines.

Bill

**Chuck** · 07-29-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wkerfoot

Chuck,

ABS is usually used for drain lines and sewer stacks. It comes in larger sizes than PVC. PVC is usually reserved for fresh water lines.

Bill

yeah, not around here. kind of the opposite, actually. All the drains in my house are pvc, and none of the supply lines are. I don't even think that pex is code, here...yet. I know that cpvc is approved for water supply in NH. They stock it at HD in NH, but not in MA.

Gkiesel · 07-31-2009, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck

why is it that they use the abs pipes in travel trailers, anyway? I mean, vs. pvc? lighter weight? cheaper? does it withstand movement/vibration better than pvc? just curious...

It has been explained to me that ABS does not get as brittle in cold weather and therefore is better able to handle the vibration and jarring that goes along with travelling. I had to order all my ABS fittings when i redid the drain lines. It was not readily available around here. george.

markdoane · 07-28-2009, 05:22 PM

If the parts are small you can gain a few seconds by putting the parts in the refrigerator.

Otherwise, keep the glue cold.

Minno · 07-29-2009, 09:19 AM

I think ABS vs PVC in a home is a regional or personal preference. In RVs, since most waste tanks are ABS, using ABS drain lines allows you to weld the pipes to the tanks using the same cleaner/glue. You can't really connect PVC and ABS directly together with a glue and expect it to maintain the connection and/or seal, or connect either ABS or PVC to a poly tank using glue. You'd need a mechnical connection (like a threaded fitting on the tank to transition to PVC or ABS).

Mike, yes you should be using the cleaner before you use the glue. Make sure both the cleaner and glue are meant for using on ABS. Don't use a cleaner or glue that is specifically designed only for PVC - it's won't provide the welding action you're looking for.

Chris