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Old 09-22-2007, 07:54 PM   #1
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1963 Safari Black Water Tank

Hello All,

I have a bit of a dillema with my black water tank. I yanked it out and did a quick leak test on it and found some leaks around the dump valve. It kinda looks like the dump valve got pushed up some which cracked the tank.

The funny thing is that the bottom of the tank looks like fibreglass. The top of the tank is smooth and I'm assuming that it is ABS, but am not sure. Anyone know if Airstreams ever used fibreglass black water tanks?

Any suggestions on a replacement tank or can I actually repair this tank?

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Steve
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Old 09-22-2007, 09:42 PM   #2
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The black tank on my 1961 Safari is fiberglass. It can be repaired with polyester resin and glass cloth or, for a better fix, using epoxy resin with the glass cloth. It would not be difficult or expensive to make a permanent repair.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:30 AM   #3
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could you please tell me where the black water tank is? and where is the spot the it emptys from? and would either of you know anything about the fan in the skylight and how to turn it on? thanks a bunch-summitsmum
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:50 AM   #4
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You can buy a new tank, or you can have the tank from my 68 safari (If it will fit).

Just need to figure out how to get it in your hands since I am in MO.

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Old 10-01-2007, 10:29 PM   #5
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My blackwater tank sits on top of the floor and directly under the toilet. It empties out the bottom of the tank under the trailer near the back on the curb side (yours might be on the street side). The control to open the valve is a square rod with a "T" handle located outside just below floor level almost directly behind the toilet.

The fan in my skylight is operated by a switch on the ceiling next to the skylight. It runs on 110 volts. Mine would not turn when I first tried it-- only buzzed. I figured I had nothing to lose so I took the motor apart, cleaned and lubricated it, put it back together, and it now works great.
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Old 10-05-2007, 10:18 AM   #6
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My blackwater tank is also on the floor with the toilet sitting on top. My tank is on the streetside and the dump valve is almost directly under the toilet. When I removed the toilet, the valve was open, so I could see the ground.

The vent in my trailer worked with a flip of the switch. My problem is that the lid doesn't stay on, so I've tied it down for hte moment. My lid problem has to do with the way the lid is attached to the retractors. It isn't


Anyone have suggestions for rebuilding/replacing the dump valve?
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:10 PM   #7
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Do you have the Thetford 01447 Slide-ez valve? I just rebuilt mine in a 67 Safari. A re-build kit is available that comes with the back plate and other seals. The inside slide valve has to be in pretty good condition, however, or it won't seal right. I put mine on a very solid, flat surface with a layer of soft scrub cleanser and lightly rubbed the sealing surface of the valve very clean and smooth. Works like a charm, now. Leaked like a sieve before. Your black tank set-up is way different than mine, though. I had to take the tank, etc. down to get to the valve.
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Old 10-06-2007, 11:16 AM   #8
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I'm not sure what model I have. How does one tell? Does your valve pull or rotate to use? I think mine rotates, but will have to check.

THanks
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Thetford valve

I've probably wasted your time. My valve slides. The numbers on my valve were visible from the exterior plate. I'm really to new at this to know anything except what I have. By the way, are you native to the Sandia Park or Albuquerque area? I'm from there...even though that was in 1971.
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Old 10-08-2007, 08:40 AM   #11
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Hey Fellas - can't give you any serial numbers or names cause I have no clue!

But this is the valve - original at the base of our black tank. our valve is toast and we are replacing it with all new.
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The tank - is fiberglass and the smooth top would be what is called Gelcoat.
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The tank is very repairable - whether cracked in the bottom or top. If you are removing the bottom valve then you can even change out the top toilet seal to work with newer toilets without having to purchase expensive sealand adapter rings.

You can (if inclined) even add sensors.

Our 61 tank sorry no pics - I suspect does not have the gelcoat top as there are the old asbestos tiles covering it....

An odd notation - why in 63 did they have a nice cream tub and yet colour the toilet base a taupe gelcoat??? must be a guy thing

Anyway hope this helps some - with the pictures - we will post our retrofits once completed on our "Flight of the LadyBug" thread...
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Old 10-22-2007, 11:16 PM   #12
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Sam- you rock!! thanks for the advice. i will execute asap.
would you know about replacing the windows?-summitsmum
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Old 10-23-2007, 06:52 AM   #13
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Summitsmum, are you needing to refurbish your windows or replace? if you are refurbishing them, I can help you. I have rebuilt every window on my 1962... all new glass, seals, and gaskets, even new operators. I only have to do the jalouse at this point. I recommend you contact Vintage Trailer Supply, they have everything you will need and their service is great.
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:40 AM   #14
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Summitsmum--
All my glass was intact, but leaked and was ready to fall out. I removed all the glass, cleaned up the frames, then replaced the glass with new seals and gaskets. I, too, recommend Vintage Trailer Supply. My trailer is a "transitional" model (between designs) and they helped me figure out what gasket was correct for the frames and the material was #1 in quality. Since the repair, the trailer has weathered some very severe rain and wind with no leaks. Do not use any silicone, it is bad news on any trailer. The seals and gaskets from VTS are all that is needed.
Seems like you are a neighbor, being only 275 miles away!
Good luck with the project.
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