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Old 03-02-2003, 02:12 PM   #1
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Question 1952 - no holding tanks?

We finally have possession of our 1952 Cruiser (24'). The seller tells us there are no holding tanks - black, grey, or white. The HW heater holds a few gallons. The seller said his family always used the trailer at campgrounds with sewer and water hook-ups. We plan on doing more dry camping, but are unclear about how to handle black water and store fresh water. Can anyone tell us what others in this situation have done? We searched the forums and found threads about grey water tanks which have been helpful. We've since bought a portable 22 gal. grey water tank. But we need more info., and we welcome your suggestions as well as any references to other sources of information about this.
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Old 03-03-2003, 08:58 AM   #2
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Ok since nobody else has any ideas on how to help you I will give it a shot.

Ar you positive it has no black water tank?
In the 50's that tank was above the floor and if the head is stitting on a raised section of floor then it should be sitting on the black water tank. The tank was not visiable from under the camper. According to the documentation on my 59 that I have one of Airstreams designe features was that the drain on the black water tank was dirrectly below the head and if the cap was off and valve was open you could see the ground through the head. From what I have read the black water tank was not fitted to the underside of the trailer till the 60's. Look up under the camper and see if you have a valve on the swer drain. Close the valve and start pouring water into the comode and see how long till it does not drain when you flush. I'm betting it will take about 12-15 gallons. No harm in doing this as long as you don't ovefill the bowl. The valve should be before the shower drain but keep an eye that no water is backing up into the shower.
I have been looking at adding a gray water tank to our 59 as well. Levon's pictures were helpfull. Most RV places like Inland have some tanks available that may work. They are flat tanks about 4-6 inches tall and you may find one that will fit between the frame rails. Then it's just a matter of routing the sink and bath drains to it.
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Old 03-04-2003, 02:53 PM   #3
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Thanks for the reply, Toaster.
Yes, the head is directly over the drain and you can see through, but there is no raised section under the head. We'll try your suggestion of pouring water in and see what happens! I hope in fact there is a black water tank, but I'm not so sure...
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I went over and looked at www.vintageairstream.com and looked in their archives. It appears all the Cruisers I looked at looked like park models. No fill for water tanks were visable and residential looking toilets. They also do not have a 52 model in the archives. Might want to go over there and check with the webmaster. He might know a little about the cruiser line and I bet he would love some pictures of your 52 for the archives.

Might want to look at a couple posts we have running . A few people are wanting to add gray water tanks. Adding a black water would be pretty close to the same deal except you would need to swtich to a RV/Marine toilet and your black water tank would have to be directly below the head. Fresh water would not be too difficult. You going to have to open the bottom of the trailer for Black and if your going to do that might as well add a gray. Proably be just as eays to mount a flat fresh water tank under the camper as it would be to modify the interrior to add one the way Airstream would have done it at the factory.
From what I have read there is not a replacement tank that would fit in place of the original freash water tanks A/S used in that time period. Mounting all the tanks under the camper will also keep the CG low and if you put them near the axle then your wieght distribution should not be effected much.
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Question 1961 Trade Wind: Black, No Grey

Howdy. I just got my 1961 24' Trade Wind home Thursday, and am starting to line up the projects.

I know it has a black water tank under the toilet in the frame rails, but no grey water tank. Here is what mine looks like underneath. I _assume_ that there used to be a sheet-aluminum bottom and the PO tore up the bottom when he redid the plumbing 10 years ago.

The black water tank has a valve, while the grey water drain lines join the pipe lower than the valve, and are no controlled by any valve. Hmmm.... is that right? If I am not hooked up (with a slinky to a drain), the grey water will merely run out of the pipe? The sink drains tie in the far side of the picture, and the shower drain is to the right.

What if I am not at a campground with a drain?
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Phil/Sue, at this point your main option would be a "Blue Tank" available at any RV supply/dealership. Blue tanks are portable tanks, some with wheels and hitches that allow towing with the ball hitch on your tow vehicle. (25 gallons of waste water is HEAVY!) There are very few places, if any, that allow grey water discharge directly to ground. If you are at such a place, it is adviseable to use a sewer to garden hose adaptor, so the fact you are discharging to ground will be less visable than if you have a 3 inch sewer hose lying on the ground!
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Well in 61 it was acceptable to just let the gray water run. They would have had a cap with a fitting for a garden hose so you could ru it away from the camp site. Now that's not acceptable because the soaps. The easy fix is to buy a blue tank and use it to store the gray water. It's a flat tank on wheels that you would just set becide the camper. It's the easy fix till you try to drag it to the dump station.
To plumb in a gray tank the easy thing is just plug the gray water lines to that drain and route them to a gray tank in a different location. Then add a second valve and drain for the gray water.
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Here's a link to the "Blue Bellies" at Camping World. They can offentimies be found elsewhere for less $$$.

Keep in mind, as Pick mentioned, that bigger isn't always better. You may have to lift it to empty it into a toilet or sink. We use the 10 gallon size & it works out just fine...

Now your black water is another story....hmmm, sorry, I'm of no help there.

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Smile Thanks for Thoughts on Grey Water retention

Hey. all. Thanks for your thoughts and link. I will have to look toward purchasing one of these. In the Camping Workd picture, I don't know which one is the 10 gallon, but will check it out.

Regarding adding a small grey water tank, I don't know how I would get it low enough to drain the shower into it. The sinks are merely a small problem, since the drains are high enough.

I still don't know whether there is any hope for the existing black water valve. Temperature fell yesterday, and it's about 24 degrees here now, and I really didn't want to lay on the ground to look at it. Maybe later this week!
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Hey Phil/Sue.

Got your pictures yesterday. Nice! It is a bit chilly to be rolling around the ground right now, but they say next week it should start to warm up a bit.

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In the Camping Workd picture, I don't know which one is the 10 gallon, but will check it out.
It's the smallest one on wheels. Keep in mind, it's just the two of us in a 19-footer. We choose the 10-gallon one so I could manage it by myself too, I go "girl-camping" occaisionally.

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Pill/Sue:
I hate to tell you this but I see a structural problem on your camper. Whatever hack installed that drain pipe to the right cut a slot through the crossmember. The poper way to have done that would have been a hole just large enough for the pipe to pass through but they have cut over half that C-Channel away. It would not be a hard repair but it needs to be done. A peice of 2x2 angle iron about 18 inches long welded in there would do the trick.
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Great spot Toaster.... I totally missed that one.

Good eye.

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Unhappy Cross Member Hacked Out

Howdy. Thanks for the heads-up. You know, I saw that but figured it was factory. I can see where the cross-member should be reinforced, but I am afraid that I may have more work needed on the plumbing.

Also, can anyone tell me whether this area under the trailer is supposed to be open. That is, should this be insulated and have a belly pan? If so, why would it be left uncovered/open? Lazy? Hmmm...

Here is another view...
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