Ok kitchen tap now working, after dismantling the tap changing the cartridge nothing. Then we un hooked the tap and water came out of the pipe under the sink. So we realized h pipes are good. Next re attached the pipe without the tap on and water shot out, next step tap back on no water argh.... Then we dismantled the pull out hose on the tap and low and behold there is a tiny little filter inside the hose which was gumped p so the water flow was restricted and not enough to push open the valve inside. Tap. Problem solved. Of course it could have been fixed in 5 mins had we realized this little filter was there. Live and learn I guess.
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